Heartless Experts, Tearless Tyrants, & Vexatious Vaccine Mandates

I don’t believe in this type of errors, “they, as the Joker says, are schemers, everything has to go according to a plaaaan”… And they have shown, over and over, it IS their plan. AsCornett said, this is World War III and it’s them against us…

Correction: as CORBETT says it’s them against us

“autoimmune complex patient”
Isn’t a diagnosis
The woman needs help, but not from you, Briggs.
Persuading an individual that all roads out are blocked and that the entire medical system is against them is cruel. Briggs, let the woman tell her story wholly and truthfully and stop using her .
If public scrutiny of an individual case is in any way appropriate, then it can be done without knowing personal details or employment details, in fact, since this is not an occupational health concern that relates directly to her work environment or anything.
Let’s hear the whole story and those who know the workings of the American health care system and ‘access’ matter, can, no doubt, be of great assistance in her case.
If it’s only clinical, any appropriate Dr or clinician in the field can also be of great assistance.

Her problem is trust in the wrong people.
Someone who she CAN trust is required that is not you and is not someone antagonistic.
Whilst it’s entirely possible that she’s being given wrong advice or information, of course that does happen and not infrequently. However in the environment right now, she needs someone who’s going to look over and beyond all the catastrophising and hot air. If she may be ‘exempt’ the vaccine, for clinical reasons, that needs to be pursued properly and without unnecessary activism entanglements.
It seems that occupational health departments are also behind the curve.

Don’t take their infernal jab. Tell the devil to get lost. You need a jab-job like you need another hole in your head. You fear losing that damn jab-job but should fear far more the consequences of taking the injection: not only risk of death and disease, but demoralization and despair, and if you cave and get on their jab carousel you become Satan’s bitch, and he’ll ride you hard then kick you in the ditch. Tell him to go to hell.

God made us. Pray to Him, trust in Him, put your life in His care. This evil is happening because we forgot God, and put our trust in men, and think only of worldly things. Big mistake, as is now painfully obvious. It’s going to take faith, courage, and suffering to break free of the Beast, but with God’s help we can do it. I’m praying for you Anon Lady, and for all of us. Let’s pray, and let’s roll.

I am also on the verge of losing my job because I won’t get the vaccine. I do not have any of the listed contra-indications that might qualify me for an exemption. I still don’t want the vaccine. I have seen no evidence that I am at any particular risk for severe Covid side effects. I have seen no evidence that I am an increased risk to others should I not be vaccinated. I don’t see why I should have to justify my choice to anyone given the evidence. And it isn’t as simple as “get another job if you don’t like your employers policies”. My employer is mandated by the governor of my state to require the vaccine. My choice, should I get fired, involves selling my house, leaving my friends and family, and moving elsewhere. In effect, starting over again. Or choosing a completely different career instead of the one I love doing and am very good at, after 17 years. It’s great to live in a free country.

JOY

Anon said : I have come to the end of my appeals process. Like a prisoner who appeals over and over to avoid the death penalty, I am a truly innocent person sentenced to a vaccine mandate.

Anon like all of us wanted a place to vent

Briggs provided that – Anon doctors refused to help – IF Anon is in NY, NO Doctor is going to sign anything!

Joy THAT’s why Doctor Mccaullaugh is ijn tears

” still don’t want the vaccine. I have seen no evidence that I am at any particular risk for severe Covid side effects. I have seen no evidence that I am an increased risk to others should I not be vaccinated.”
They are not side effects of covid, they are covid effects.
If you’re not vaccinated you are at risk yourself in an every increasingly vaccinated population.
The disease is infectious, more infectious than flu. Less easy to catch than malaria, much easier to catch than SARS 1 or MERS. So?
What evidence do you need that having a vaccine would help prevent others from becoming ill and dying?
What evidence are you expecting?

@Joy, She told you what she has. It was right there in the prescription. She has been taking Hydroxychloroquine… How many folks do you know who take HCQ? I didn’t know this till it came up with Trump. Suddenly, I learned how many people have the disease and take that medicine for it. It apparently works.

Maybe HCQ is good for all autoimmune diseases. I have friends who did get the jab so they could go on vacation who are also taking HCQ. They are ok. I just keep looking at the CDC data every week and seeing that column of “unclassified deaths”. Maybe those deaths are something less sinister. That is the joy of the miscellaneous bucket. We don’t know what is actually in it. 3000 people a week… Maybe a little more. Dying of some mystery.

I know more people now who have died of the jab (or appear to have died of the jab) than I know people who died of the Doom. They are still 2 degrees out (for both of them). I know more than a few people who went through the Doom without much problem. I know a couple who needed special care, but the special care was out treatment using the monoclonal antibodies. I know one who was in the hospital for a week. The one who went to the hospital would not have been a person I would have guessed of those who got sick. The 82 year old smoker got the antibodies and is recovering. A 30/40 something in pretty good shape ended up in the hospital.

The one that went to the hospital for a week was fully vaccinated.

All of this is anecdotal of course. It means nothing.

I write solely to try to point at the thing I can’t point at. I come back here because Briggs seems to be trying to point at something really close to what I think I am pointing at. Sheri might be a little more critical, but she too is trying to point at something close to what I am trying to point at. If we point directly at it, it sounds like we are calling those in power Tyrants. (Ok, we sort of are).

Earwigs and cockroaches. Will it be nuclear war or biological? It appears like it might be biological. The cockroach seems to have an edge.

John b(satire)
You mean like snowflakes need somewhere as a safe space?
Dr M is failing to cope, too. It doesn’t mean it’s everybody else’s fault.

Brad,
“Joy, She told you what she has. It was right there in the prescription. She has been taking Hydroxychloroquine… ”
NO, that’s not enough information.
If we’re going to do a medical assessment we need to hear all other information in order to make a judgement.
(To think this is all about politics is beyond a sick joke.)
There is a list of medicines which were on the agenda as potential candidates for treatment early on in this disease outbreak. I have lost count of the number of times I’ve typed that out in various ways.
Yet the story that’s being falsely told is that only some very special Drs had the idea and they were thwarted in their efforts and all because big pharm…

This is what I mean by ignoring the facts and believing the conspiracy hype.
John B called it some insulting term when discovering that it’d all been said months before any of you had, as you admitted, even heard of the drug? Recently, we’ve been hearing about ‘rendezevir’.
Which is another drug for rheumatoid arthritis.
You do realise that there are hundreds of autoimmune disorders?
You do realise that there are, just in one individual case of rheumatoid arthritis (*RA,) a whole spectrum of different clinical features and courses of disease? Yet we have johnny come lately with a bit of maths who think they can predict what’s going to happen with prescribing drugs en spec to any given individual?
You people are the same ones complaining that the vaccination is untested!
Where’s the continuity of argument?

So to your point and to restate. We need all of the history, questions and answers from the individual.
In case of assessment, it can take an hour or even a couple of sessions of an hour to fully understand.
(with regards to chronic and complex pain syndromes and pathology)
Not because I”M slow, necessarily but because that’s how long it takes.
So refer the lady to the appropriate place and stop trying to. make a political case out of her.
She is feeling depressed and hopeless, which will induce panic and fear and therefore more hopelessnesss and depression.; Much of that thinking is based on false information.

Just one of those pieces of falsehood would be her thinking, understandably, that she “knows the science”
Let’s hear about that, in private , I would suggest, with a properly qualified scientific and clinical approach to her care.

AGAIN JOY

That’s why this is sad.

You want her to do what Dr. M did and be laughed at and mocked and criticized

Why should she? (do we know Anon is ‘SHE’?) Or were you guessing because you think it’s a disease you’re thinking of.

SHE said she is out of appeals, NO doctor will support her! IF a doctor did support her, the doctor would in all likelihood lose his license!

Because of the mandate timing, ANON will have to take the jab soon

Careful that your empathy doesn’t show

(I got what you did – there is no satire today)

“You want her to do what Dr. M did and be laughed at and mocked and criticized”
What are you talking about?
No,, I’m Calling Briggs out for using her incomplete story which he is, for a half baked piece.
Re laughed at and mocked? You never bothered before!
I’m the one saying it’s inappropriate. You think it’s okay because you’re saying “ah there there”
sorry for your loss!
It’s what people do that counts not what they say they will do.

Edward Jenner never did any randomized controlled trials!

What if those milk maid shrugged off small pox because of the Vitamin D they were getting from consuming fresh cows milk!

Joy

1 – ANON TRIED to get a MEDICAL EXEMPTION
2 – ANON WENT to several DOCTORS
3 – THEY ALL Know ANON’s case – but ANON’s case doesn’t fit the ACCEPTED EXEMPTION
4 – THE DOCTORS all agree that having ANON get the VACCINE is pointless (NOT A PUN) and the RISKS outweigh the BENEFITS

JOY – REREAD what ANON wrote – ignore EVERYTHING else!!!!

You speak about animus? Look in the mirror

JOHN< STOP SHOUTING! ONE EXCLAMATION MARKI'S ENOUGH

“Please continue to speak out for us! I am but a small voice and my voice is silenced under the authoritarian rants of many. I need my job as a single mom, and the health insurance as you can imagine keeps me alive.”
I suggest you were not reading properly, if at all.
So much faith I had in you that I doubted my own reading and memory!
Had to check that I had in fact not confused her with allergy lady or something.
No.
I reread the entire thing and wonder if you are reading something different again. An entirely separate page.

JOY

WHY is ANON’s story INCOMPLETE

It has a beginning – a middle and an end!

Briggs only cut out the company and hospital name

Her company DEMANDS a VACCINE!
SHE TRIES TO GET AN EXEMPTION
NO DOCTOR WILL SUPPORT HER

I know you have vision issues, but it is all there

Like Brad I knew of 2 Covid deaths – one I worked with for 15 years before he retired
The other was a father of a manager at my company

I know of no jab deaths personally but know a number of reactions

John b,
answer me this:
Is the woman a single mum?
Yes or no?
If she is,
Is she a female?

I share your “charitable” interpretation that they act out of incompetence rather than malice (Hanlon’s razor). It’s interesting however that more folks like Mike Yeadon are arguing malice: https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/maximum-vaccination/comments

I’m not shouting (I’m either enunciating or speaking really really slowly.

Heartbreaking. I second Hagfish above. Don’t give in to the evil and tyranny being pushed upon you. There may be suffering and difficulty involved, but so also did the early Christians face such suffering and difficulties – indeed martyrdom – under the thumbs of the cruel masters of their age. Perhaps we too will have to retreat to new catacombs, leave all the past behind – jobs, homes, family, etc. – and find a new way of living in the midst of the evil, tyranny, and insanity all around.

But resist we must. There is a war on for the future of humanity. Everyone must choose a side…and there is no place for the lukewarm, who will be chewed-up and spewed-out first.

““autoimmune complex patient”
Isn’t a diagnosis
The woman needs help, but not from you, Briggs.
Persuading an individual that all roads out are blocked and that the entire medical system is against them is cruel. ”

GTFO with this BS.
Supporting dangerous, rushed, needless jabs with poor efficacy and risk profile is cruel!
Supporting forced face muzzling is cruel!
Supporting lying scum govt ministers forcing their tyrannical BS on people is cruel!
Telling people the current medical establishment ISN’T actively abusing them and ISN’T against them is cruel!
Telling people they are putting themselves or others at significant risk if they don’t submit to the jab is cruel!
Not seeing family for a year because of a virus 99.9% of people survive is cruel!
And on and on…

It won’t stop until people en masse rise up and say “Enough!” Don’t submit. Don’t ever submit to the Evil and Tyranny closing in all around us. And yes, Brad, if it “sounds like we are calling those in power tyrants”…that’s because they ARE tyrants! (and not just the politicians, but the corporate bugmen, doctors, and media scum doing the politicians’ bidding are all tyrants as well).

then this:
“Like Brad I knew of 2 Covid deaths – one I worked with for 15 years before he retired
The other was a father of a manager at my company”
…
How many flue deaths have you known in your full life?
I know of one, who was in his twenties, he died of pericarditis and cardiac tampenard.
Due to the fact that his family did not knowhow to look for red flag signs of serious illness.
I could have saved his life. A little bit of knowledge is. a dangerous thing.
In that case, they always treated him as a second thought. So it didn’t surprise me he went too long before ty called the ambulance.
She called me years later to tell me of his death since I was always the one looking out for him and sticking up for him with his sisters. He was adopted, they were not.
So don’t lecture about empathy. I don’t need your approval if all you’re going to do is say I haven’t read when it’s you who hasn’t read, or comprehended.
So?
How many in your life have you known personally who died of flu?

Joy

Yeah! sorry – I missed that bit

Her story was over by then – That was as far as I read

I didn’t read anything after her story which is why I don’t understand why you didn’t find a story

John b
“WHY is ANON’s story INCOMPLETE

It has a beginning – a middle and an end!”
In short? because it’s masquerading, to the satisfaction of you, evidently, as a medical assessment!
It’s not a “story”!

Nor is it likely, given the history, that you or Briggs have understood all of the facts in this casre or probab ly many for quite a while, given our reluctance to accept what you simply do. not know

Joy

I know absolutely no one personally that died of the FLU let alone hospitalized for the flu

Back in 2014, I got really really sick – couldn’t get out of bed (properly) for almost two days

I would roll off a cot that I was using and crawl to the bathroom and then figure out how to use it

“Your reluctance to accept what you simply do not know. “

roll off a cat?
you’ll never get a good night’s sleep in a cot. I presume you’re too tall.
The side get in the way, too.

So, to you alone, nobody else, and on the record, John b
Is it reasonable for you, personally, to think there might be cause to believe that covid IS “worse” than flu, a disease which has floated around for years and is rather more familiar to human immunity?
Just that part first, remember you’re on record

All-cause deaths still up in Scotland. Latest is 23% higher than the five week average and lots of them do not mention Covid-19 on the death certs!

https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/news/2021/deaths-involving-covid-19-week-41-11-october-17-october-2021

The number of deaths from all causes registered in Scotland in this week was 1,331, which is 252 – or 23% – above the five year average.

“There were 1,331 deaths from all causes this week, the 21st consecutive week with deaths above the five year average.”

Why won’t they let me wait for Version 2.0 of the vex? You know, the one with the bugs worked out. I won’t buy a new model vehicle that’s in its first production year, or the latest Windows operating system, or the newest iThingy.

Paul H
If you’re in England, that’s exactly what you’d get.
Can’t answer for the US.
When the flu’s changes each year, nobody speaks about bugs in the programme.

What you ask isn’t controversial if there is a new drug available.

I didn’t look at it as a medical assessment

She said that her problem did not raise to the level of a Medical Exemption (my guess was lupus) since I know a woman with lupus taking HCQ. In MN there was a news anchor woman with lupus. According to lupus org 90% of lupus are women. Beside the point.

The fact that she cared for a Covid person pretty much proved that she would not/will not get Covid

By forcing the J&J into her body will cause an auto-immune reaction (she likely won’t die but so what?) She’s the one that will have to live through the days that it goes through her system)

She doesn’t want to experience that. Please tell us what the Jab will do for her?

This may interest you re. Scotland as well, Crew: “Another Brief Look at Vaccine Performance in Scotland”: https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/another-brief-look-at-vaccine-performance

“Cases among the fully vaccinated, if anything, seem to be trending slightly upwards, while in the unvaccinated they remain flat or declining. Note that it’s mostly high case numbers among 0–15 year-olds (almost surely, an artifact of school testing programs) which allow the report to claim “lower rates of cases in vaccinated individuals” (p. 37)”

“Her company DEMANDS a VACCINE!
SHE TRIES TO GET AN EXEMPTION
NO DOCTOR WILL SUPPORT HER”
Refer her to me, I’ll sort her out…send her in the right direction.
That’s what she needs.
She doesn’t need sympathy, she needs a result. NOW

John b
I will answer you but truly, read what you wrote and ask yourself what you really know here.
Also, read my reply to Brad about rheumatic and autoimmune disorders.
It isn’t me that doesn’t ‘understand’, it’s you who doesn’t know
and you are cheeky, too!

She’s been given the shaft repeatedly by numerous doctors and corporate/political bugmen, who, for all intents and purposes, want to strap her down and rape her with a Covid jab…but Joy will reason nicely with the rapey tyrants and get it all sorted! LOL.

Joy
“ Refer her to me, I’ll sort her out…send her in the right direction.”
While secret handshakes and backroom dealings might be able to solve Anon’s particular troubles, that doesn’t change the general tyranny that is going on.

Joy

I TOTALLY AGREE (big enunciation there). Covid is worse than the flu … for Older people with comorbidities.

The one guy I knew personally seemed healthy enough, but … I couldn’t say he was totally healthy.

The guy I didn’t know personally – manager’s father – was definitely on the old side but lived on his own so healthy enough

As I tried to explain to swordfish, when he said the people who died from the jab were going to die anyway – he did said that – CDC reported that only 5% of Covid deaths were otherwise healthy people – the other 95% were older with comorbidities – as swordfish had said were going to die anyway.

CDC likewise has reported that for flu deaths, 30% were otherwise healthy
So healthy people, Covid is almost twice as nasty.

That said, though I didn’t know anybody personally that died of the flu, every month or so during flu season, the news would report the death of a school age child. I never heard one report (local news-wise) of a child dying from Covid.

California’s health director included the death of a 14-year old boy – made big headlines there – but then later said the boy had a number of comorbidities and admitted the boy was dying. It was never explained if the boy actually had cavid or just tested positive. Purportedly, the boy’s sister got on Social Media and reported that her brother had Stage 4 cancer and didn’t want her brother used to sow more doubt and fear.

To explain

CDC likewise has reported that for flu deaths, 30% were otherwise healthy
So healthy people, Covid is almost twice as nasty.

CDC’s numbers are less than WOM but let’s look at current 750000 deaths (37500 otherwise healthy over 2 yrs assuming CDC 5% is correct)

Ave flu is about about 37500 (75000 over 2 yrs) 75000 X 30% – (22500 otherwise healthy over 2 yrs)

Another 150000 deaths in the US would get us to Coivid being twice as bad as regular flu.

“where X is a non-decreasing function of time”

Which points to another massive error in the entire process. There is an implicit assumption that a person will stay vexxinated. That is the only way they could justify rolling releases across different age groups. The durability of the vexxin is only 4 months, well inside the period needed to jab everyone and achieve their desired “herd immunity”.

Anyway, I am just waiting for the “booster shots” to fail, as exemplified by the animal trials. Then the vexxinated are really screwed. That’s when they will start coming after us.

“She said that her problem did not raise to the level of a Medical Exemption (my guess was lupus) “
First assumption, right there, It makes little difference though, there’s grades of disease, whatever and whichever num er she has.

since I know a woman with lupus taking HCQ. In MN there was a news anchor woman with lupus. According to lupus org 90% of lupus are women. Beside the point.”

Totally, but rheumatic and autoimmune diseases are more common in women barring a few exceptions such as gout, Ankylosing Spondylitis, some others… however ‘autoimmune complex’ is a very vague term.:
Hormonal or endocrine diseases, connective tissue diseases of which lupus is one, diseases effecting all kinds of tissue in the body, are not necessarily caused by one kind of diagnosis of,
“autoimmune complex”. That is not to say that the lady in question is under any illusion about her condition, but it is certainly one important area for clarification.
?“The fact that she cared for a Covid person pretty much proved that she would not/will not get Covid”. Yes, her son,
It means that she absolutely May contract covid. As we all know it is possible to have it multiple times. I know of several personally who have had covid, three times, in one instance. Whether she would catch it and be seriously ill is obviously looking unlikely.

Can you see the difference there?
Since J&J is more akin to the AZ vaccine in its method (not its efficacy) I do know that patients in England, with some autoimmune disorders are having AZ as opposed to Pfizer. That tells me the lady is not being given entirely bad advice. The responses are more predictable. If she had been okay with flu, it would be similar technology.

Can’t speak for your crazy (ahem) Drs, but ours simply would NOT inject patients in their care, if they knew that it would cause harm. They just wouldn’t, any more than I would, or you would. Some of us are as militant as can be if we think something’s unsafe or wrong.
?“By forcing the J&J into her body will cause an auto-immune reaction (she likely won’t die but so what?) She’s the one that will have to live through the days that it goes through her system)?She doesn’t want to experience that.
Please tell us what the Jab will do for her?”

You answered the question in your previous statement! I don’t think we’ve established that fact yet, let alone what kind of response she will have. You’re very confident in your diagnostic abilities!

My guess is it won’t affect her any more than the covid contact she had with her son.
You are asking for guesses though. Again, we don’t have all the information. You are assuming everything! Including a bad response. Everybody is told the same thing about he response. What she was told is not different to what everybody s told. It also sounds like she has taken that as a promise, not in the way it is intended. Just as when they read you all the possibilities for complications pre surgery! So that’s why a proper sober, private and confidential discussion is the way to go. Not like this, on an internet blog.

From here, it looks like she is not exempt with good rationale, if one assumes (for argument’s sake) that mandating were correct.

If she feels this way, I would recommend she leaves her place of work.
Start looking for another job and take sick leave in the meanwhile which may well be entirely appropriate. Why work for such an organisation if that’s how she is ‘treated’?

She could Seek proper assessment from a GP for work related stress. The depression seems more of a concern, to me, than any very temporary and mild potential affects from the inoculation.
You asked…

Joy,
What evidence do you need that having a vaccine would help prevent others from becoming ill and dying?

It seems odd to take a vaccine to prevent OTHERS from getting ill. All of the previous vaccines that I’ve taken were to prevent ME from getting ill. There’s growing evidence that the vaccine doesn’t even do that AND comes with a risk of complications. Why isn’t acquired immunity (having antibodies) considered an equal protection?

If she feels this way, I would recommend she leaves her place of work.
Start looking for another job and take sick leave in the meanwhile which may well be entirely appropriate. Why work for such an organisation if that’s how she is ‘treated’?

If only it were that simple. The position of many employers in the US is: “take the vaccine or else…” Then there’s the threat of not being able to buy food when unvaccinated. Some places in NYC are already doing this because they’ve been told to do so. In-N-Out got in trouble with SF because they weren’t verifying vaccination status.

In my place of employment I’m being asked daily if I’ve been vaccinated and/or have symptoms. So far they haven’t asked for proof of either. We’ve had two cases since March; neither of them led to more than a couple of very uncomfortable days.

“From here, it looks like she is not exempt with good rationale…”

This is precisely the problem with this whole system of “exemption” game-playing BS. Don’t play their game on their terms, or they win no matter what! You’ve already been defeated if you agree to beg for an “exemption” in order to be allowed your human right not to be subjected to (or coerced into accepting) ANY medical treatment or experimentation against your will.

The only “rationale” anyone needs for an “exemption” is: “I DON’T F-ING WANT IT, PERIOD! GET STUFFED TYRANTS!”

Many (who value themselves enough to do the work) are being successful
challenging the tyranny at work, school, hospital, etc. BTW, it is illegal for
anyone to keep you from being with your loved one in ICU, hospital.
ILLEGAL NONSENSE. You may know of Peggy Hall’s excellent work.
Here is another compedium of resources:
Email this: contactrose777 at protonmail.com amd ask for Crow777 Radio Law Info.
Success is speedy for the energetic…and focused.

All the Best

There’s also something to say about why children escape the usual vulnerable group in case of infections of all kinds.
That’s where my suspicions were raised back in January of 2020.
(regarding the potential fo viral engineering)
Before we had even heard of the nearby lab. We were still looking at animals in cages on TV and feeling sorry for ‘pangalins’ at the time.
So John boyI’m not just all there, I’m half way back

Joy, if the quaccine works, and if you are fully quaccinated, why should I get it? Aren’t you “safe?” Explain this to me like I am five, please.

My wife and I were recently hospitalised for “covid.” She for fifteen days, me for twelve. We are both 61. I was in good health before this. My wife has a few comorbidities. We started on high flow oxygen, and were on Dexamethasone for the entire time. Oxygen was reduced as the inflammation in our lungs reduced. We both refused Remdesivir, as I’ve heard kidney failure is not an uncommon side effect. We both refused monoclonal antibodies, as they are made, like the so-called “vaccines” using murdered baby cell lines.

We have been home now for about a week and a half. Still get winded very easily, but are recovering. Even after all this, we will never consent to being a medical experiment. I am a Federal employee, in a job that I love, but am fully prepared to walk away if my religious exemption isn’t accepted. How does the saying go? My body, my choice.

This isn’t about this virus or that vaccine it’s about conditioning the population
to get in line for what ever they want to test in the biosphere. Fertility rates
have fallen across the board in Western populations for decades now. This is no
accident a free largely Caucasian population is an obstacle that breeds disgruntled
gardeners and house servants. Population control starts in the West and will finish
in the East, the West can’t grasp that they are the authors of their own destruction.
The masses will never benefit from significant life extension much less immortality.
Who needs humans when you’ve got AI, all the money in the world. and a planet to
save.

“This isn’t about this virus or that vaccine it’s about conditioning the population to get in line for what ever they want to test in the biosphere”

Bingo. This is simply an early battle in a great war being waged against humanity. People better wake up fast, before it’s too late…or maybe it already is.

I had a similar discussion with a hematologist when referred to follow up on and get a recommendation to drop an expensive medication for a cheap one. After about $1000 of tests, the doctor agreed with me. Since I suffered an “unexpected” thromboembolic event 3 years ago and the doctors couldn’t figure it out (nor me) why, I had been put on this medication as a caution. I was a sickly child (of the 50s) who caught all of the childhood infectious diseases, except polio and smallpox (those had vaccines). I later developed several auto-immune diseases later in life. Those also run in the family. So, no, I am one for whom the vaccine risks likely exceed the disease risks, having gotten through the two proper corona virus seasons here without getting deathly ill. These mandates will kill some, just like getting the disease naturally will kill some. And, no, I don’t believe the autumn/winter spike that was reported last year, was true. If there is an autumn/winter spike this year, I’m likely to not think it is true, either. Corona virus epidemic season here is local summer, not winter.

So, yes, these people are tyrants. Just say NO! to these. Go Galt, if you can, better, if you must.

Until this site actively removes the Troll (19 comments on this thread so far), no credible discussion or exchange of information will ever take place.

@William Briggs –

The ball is in your court.

Either block and delete the shill troll, or close the comments.

The Enemy has deep pockets lined with our money – and many people have sold themselves to the demonic agenda. But one plus of being in these End Times (as Abp Vigano has accurately diagnosed) is that evil is now more obvious than ever before – and getting easier to discern by the week.

I wouldn’t call her a troll or support her banning. Just profoundly wrong-headed and confused.

At worst a card-carrying member of the Covidian Cult; at best a Mitläufer.

Joy’s not a troll, she’s just hysterical.

Mr catholic who is living proof that covid 19 is nothing to be sniffed at.
Speak to your fellow conspiracists about how it feels and thank your lucky stars that you’re still here.
Of course it’s your body and they gave you the choice.
Shame you’re not more contrite.
Dexamethasone trials were also carried out and proven to be effective for covid in the very first trial in the UK last year. So you have us to thank for that. It’s probably what actually saved you, together with the oxygen, of course. Not one or the other in isolation, probably.

You’re out of hospital but if your’e still recently recovered some have and do relapse.
However, had you been vaccinated, you could have prevented the need for the hospital bed. That’s what the numbers show. Your age group is the most likely to take up bed space but later survive. Another reason why vaccination saves lives.
See Romania now, see New York, See Brazil, India, Italy, all at various stages of the epidemic.
For every bed taken up, another can’t use that bed. When resources are restricted vaccination makes the difference between life and death for those kinds of reasons, too.

Not so impressed by pretence of principle about ‘fatal lines’.
It’s a pose. Especially when life is so cheap at the other end of the age group, it’s just. A double standard. Preference for youth over age.

If you don’t understand now Mr Catholic you’re never going to

Well, at least ANON doesn’t have to have the mandatory flu vaccine, in addition to the mandatory vaxx… yet

https://www.du.edu/coronavirus

Rudolph

Your comment has double meaning doncha know

bruce,

Joy goes back a loong way

Like some of us, she writes faster than she thinks (I give her the benefit of the doubt)

She’s also from the UK so has no idea of the tentacles of the vaccine mandate in the US

I have at times come to her defense a time maybe two and she me

Her animus with Briggs as mushroomed lately … but hey she’s no Sheckler

Rudolph is a liar and that has been evident from his comments for some time. People are too afraid to point it out…to proud
So is dean Ericson who is now going under the false name of hagfishpagpiee, He still can’t say he’s sorry for lying about Sworfishtrombone. Nothing christ=like about that.

Regarding number of comments, there’s never been a limit. There’s been a limit on the length of comment but that was also not enforced.
Since Covid 19 is being spun by activists on line, we have a problem. That is the truth has a problem with the lies being spread by conspiracy theorists.
Does anything ever happen to correct this?
No, the subject changes and moves to the next newspaper tabloid talking point.

She can also be a bit vile about Catholics

bruce g charlton,

Joy is not a troll. In fact, she’s been here for years. Even if she was a troll blocking her is not the proper response.

“She can also be a bit vile about Catholics”
and catholics can just be vile, you’ve forgotten
What was vile, John? specifically?
“don’t feed the trolls”
No just leave that to Briggs

However, had you been vaccinated, you could have prevented the need for the hospital bed

Strikes me as a specious argument. The same could be said about traffic and bungee accident victims taking up beds by not being more careful. Same with smokers. When should these circumstances become excuses for withholding treatment? Where should the line be drawn?

Clearly, Covid-19 is not something to ignore, especially if you have let your immune system down by not feeding i the right things, like Vitamin D, Vitamin C and Zinc …

“Since Covid 19 is being spun by activists on line, we have a problem…”

Covid-19 has been “spun” from the beginning by politicians, media, and oligarchic interests (Gates Foundation,WEF, & Event201, WHO, Big Pharma, etc.).

Dav, Thank you for the reply,
The point of vaccination is more than one. That is just one reason. (On that matter):

If you look at India (and don’t subscribe to the vile lies that it was a hoax) Romania right now, and you know the rest, then taking a vaccination would, help reduce the virus that is in circulation. It worked in the UK and in other countries that vaccinated older age groups in a timely manner. *with regards to overloading the healthcare system.

So the point you make is about whether it’s your responsibility to care about the others?
I’d sooner have that honest debate. That’s not what’s happening though.
People are pretending to an altruism that isn’t evident at all in the rest of their argumentation.
Quite the opposite, is evident.

I’ve said all along, arguments for freedom at all cost are honest.
Freedom as well as safety come with a price. That’s how I see it.
People can’t have their cake and eat it.

Regarding efficacy of vaccination in preventing illness and death? If it prevents a hospital stay, it prevents a death. *assuming there’s adequate bed space.

Dennis,
The spin is on both sides though. You can only see one way in this, it seems
WHO should be downgraded to an international charity that it is.
I’m no speaker for them. Especially with the public spokesmen we’ve heard from.
Again, I had their car marked before rump picked on them. I was thrilled to agree, again with his assessment of them. Some of this has been glaringly obvious and I’ve said so many times. Yet you take things way too far.
You’ve even resorted to hoping that medical staff die , or suffer, and on and on.
You don’t know medical staff if you think that way. Nor does your argument become stronger for making that kid of comment.
Then there’s fauci, another case of bad judgement, bad public speaking and horrendous imparting of information for the pubic.
Fauci is not the world though. Nor is the WHO.
Then there’s big p-harma.
Without your take on the matter. There is much to say about the companies independently and I’m surprised they haven’t fallen out already. Give them time. So it’s strange for me to be speaking on behalf of their cause, since some of the earlier behaviour during the trial phase left to be desired, from pfizer, in particular.
Also, from the trials in the US which deliberately put a spanner in te works of our trials so as to be first to the post. So petty, but such big premiums.
Yet, our own and that of other countries around the world’s regulators have carried out their own safety trials and checked the ‘working’ of the drug companies. This took longer than some would have liked. It didn’t take long enough for some. Yet even yesterday in Downing street, the information was that
the vaccines are still working and helping but that immunity s waining in those who have been vaccinated. The figures of 89 and 90 percent were mentioned but I didn’t go to find the quotes as I know the response is going to be to wave hands and say they’re all in it together!
What can you say to that?
It’s like talking to an alien hunter.

then taking a vaccination would, help reduce the virus that is in circulation

This seems not to be true based on data reported from the UK in this tweet:

https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1451234440500420622

There are higher rates of cases among the vaccinated from age 30 and above but they claim to have high rates of vaccination for those above age 18.

Got any more bullshit?

“… the vaccines are still working and helping but that immunity is waning in those who have been vaccinated.”

If you can’t understand the problem encapsulated in that line, I’m afraid you are beyond help.

But I’ll try anyway, I can’t help myself: You are missing the forest for the trees, for the biggest issue is the coercion going on, the pressure on people to take these jabs – which you admit have waning efficacy – in order to keeps their jobs, and generally to go about daily life without harassment under the new Covid Vax Apartheid system being built worldwide. That is the issue, and the only issue now that really matters.

If you or others want to get a jab that has a very bad side-effects profile (and who knows what long-term risks), and short term, rapidly waning efficacy, for a virus with a global IFR in the range of a “bad flu season,” go right ahead – I’m not stopping you; just stop being part of a coercive tyranny trying to force everyone else into taking it, and stop pretending that those who don’t take it pose a great risk not only to themselves, but to those who do take the jab (which is tantamount to saying, “My jab doesn’t work unless you get one too”).

“You’ve even resorted to hoping that medical staff die , or suffer, and on and on.”

Not “medical staff” in general or in toto, but those actively complicit in perpetrating the greatest evils being done, such as those who refuse to use various Ivermectin or HCQ protocols (even if bowing to pressure from administrative bugmen and politicians purporting to ban them – if you’re a real doc, grow a spine and do your job to HEAL, or find another career!), or such as the doctor above who told the woman she should just “get the shot anyway… and expect a flare to start about 12-hr post injection and last 4-5 days,” and who refuses to help certify a medical exemption. Pure evil. That man indeed deserves naught but pain and suffering for the remainder of this life and the next, as punishment for the pain and suffering he helps inflict on others (despite supposedly being in the job of healing people and preventing further pain and suffering! Forget, “First do no harm,” eh?), as do countless politicians, oligarchs, and media for the evil they do. Perhaps not very nice of me; will probably earn me more time in Purgatory. So be it.

Joy, lighten up. Our body our choice. Never the government, federal state or otherwise. It’s that constitution thing.

The breakdown here that puts this person in a bad spot comes from the failure of legislatures to challenge the executive, and the judiciary abdicating their duty and/or legislating from the bench.

Besides, the disappearance of the common cold and flu since 2019 makes it absolutely obvious that all of the numbers for cases and deaths is bull. This is a global reset.

Crew, Denis, I read upt to line two
If you can’t actually make a point without resorting to uncivil language then you’re not doing any good whatsoever. Perhaps that’s the venting that John enjoys

“tweets” are not evidence that any sensible people take seriously.
This has been explained many times.
In the UK most of us HAVE been vaccinated.
Yet we are having increases in cases *for the easily triggered, that means infections or tests which are positive for covid 19 infection.
The infection is spreading because we are now one o fthe most open nations around Europe. We are fully open at schools, shopping, dining, social events, mass events. There is almost no restriction ejxcept with regards to travel.
There is. a small amount of posing ocomming from Wales and Scotland, as usual.
So it stands to reason that infections are on the rise. Only those who do not fully understand are thinking this is strange. Perhaps those who thought that they would not become infected if the received the vaccination. That’s neither here nor there.
What is important is serious illness and death, first and foremost.
If you look at the WOM graphs it is clear that something changed on the roll out of the vaccine. It is evident in much of Europe, too, yet their testing is far less than. our own and it’s unlikely than many cases go undetecte din this country at this point in time. So what you see is more representative what is out there.

The same pattern is not seen in the US. That’s yours to explain. I think it’s obvious what the reason is. You were doing better under Trump and there’s a reason for that, too.
Rather than shooting the messenger, again, just go and have a look at WOM and the UK graph. It speaks for itself.
Unlike in the US, the numbers quoted DO match up with those quoted by Downing street. So they are as good as reliable. Unless you’re claiming those are being made up, too.

“And now they want to push the vaccine on kids. The population, as all evidence indicates so far, most at risk for severe side effects of the vaccine. Also the population, all evidence shows, least at risk for coronadoom.”

It’s hard for me to convey the intense anger I feel toward the experts and power-mongers pushing for Covid vaccinations for children. Words like “satanic” and “vile” and “hateful” don’t begin to cover it. I think it would be easier to describe my feelings toward child molesters.

Joy is a bit of an enigma. I’ll generally read her first comment, often as not have no idea what she is on about, then skip to some more easily digestible comments my aging brain can better cope with. Today’s heavy dose of en-Joy-ment caused me to “ctrl-F” in FireFox, type in “Joy”, then look for some Joy-less gaps in the right scroll-bar. Very handy feature.

JBP,
“Joy, lighten up. Our body our choice. Never the government, federal state or otherwise. It’s that constitution thing.”
Lighten up? me?
Tell the others
I never said you should be pinned down and be jabbed. Yet nobody really is.
There’s almost never a valid story.
Principles cost money,
See Eliza Doolittle’s Dad for philosophy of morals!

My body my choice too.
So get on with it and stop complaining.
That’s not what you mean though. YOu’re talking about abortion.? no?

It’s always about abortion in America.
Have a conversation about rainbows and snowflakes and you’re really having a conversation about abortion!

Milton, I don’t believe that you do not understand.
Pretty unkind remark, but then you need someone to vent on, I suppose. Join the queue

Generally though, I don’t read your comments at all.
The discussion was mostly between myself and John B. So that is also the reason for the numerous comments.
Nothing to stop you adding your two pennies as everybody else does. As I do, without expecting a response.

It looks like I hit on some raw nerves up there.
I would say that unkindness epitomises this site these days.

“If you can’t actually make a point without resorting to uncivil language then you’re not doing any good whatsoever”

If you’re talking about my most recent post above at 6:38, in response to the one in which you admit waning vax efficacy (while still stumping for them), and also accuse me of wishing that all “medical staff” die, there is nothing “uncivil” in any of the language I used…though perhaps I should have. Yet another sign that you are not even reading, never mind comprehending and engaging with the arguments people actually make – talk about “not doing any good whatsoever!”

Dennis, you are the shiznit. Dennis Shiznit. Dude crushes.

Thanks, Bagpipe dude!

Dennis: Now I am become Truth, the destroyer of Covid.

Ka-Boom!

[mushroom cloud]

Joy, ‘my body my choice covers many things’.

I have several children who soon will have the ‘choice’. Take the jab OR LOSE THEIR JOB. One has already experienced a blood related problem years ago. Too bad for them though, huh? With over 700,000 adverse reactions reported, that is horrible odds.

Principles cost money… huh.. pfizer and such’s principles don’t mean crap, but they are getting billions of dollars, pounds, shekels and so on. So are we buying their ‘principles’? Sounds like a raw deal. Or a cliche.

What is neglected on these discussions, besides the obvious criminality of the ruling class, is the success of treatments.

If I eat horse paste I’ll be fine. Ask the 240 million Indians about that. So instead of saying ‘get over it and take the jab’ everyone can leave me alone.

“It’s hard for me to convey the intense anger I feel toward the experts and power-mongers pushing for Covid vaccinations for children. Words like ‘satanic” and ‘vile’ and ‘hateful’ don’t begin to cover it. I think it would be easier to describe my feelings toward child molesters.”

Right there with you. And the fact that they are gulling the parents of those poor children into thinking it’s an actual vaccine, “safe and effective,” when it is anything but that.

So, the word needs to get out. Print out anything against the vexxines. Leave it at your local Kinko’s. Other people will copy and distribute.

Dennis,
You’re not going to alter my mind, since I’m with the people telling the truth and treating patients. Not with the activists. Nor with conspiracists, of which you are clearly a member. .
this:
““… the vaccines are still working and helping but that immunity is waning in those who have been vaccinated.”

If you can’t understand the problem encapsulated in that line, I’m afraid you are beyond help.”
Clearly it is you who can’t understand.
Define the terms before you start arguing. This is something you almost never do and you’re not being set a good example from others, either.
With you Dennis, since you’ve on multiple occasions, dismissed anything from Downing street out of hand. The discussion was over months and months ago, probably one of the first times we ever exchanged views.
Those words are not my words they are directly paraphrased if not quoted from one of the Downing street meetings. I recall ery early on you avoiding taking a look at the slides they offered and refusing despite several requests, so again, the discussion won’t go anywhere if you’re not going to take a look at what is actually being said and claimed. You’re fighting a straw man all the time.

All we ever hear about on here are Twitter article and some newspaper article. The occasional self video from a discontented person. That’s somehow supposed to be convincing?

At this point as I type, the curser is moving without my moving it. The letters appear after the curser, so again, reasons not to trust the place.

And then there’s this: https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/kitten-corner-abusive-relationships/comments

Explains a lot, doesn’t it?

@joy doesn’t want to look at the tweet that contains the info because it might disabuse her of her stupid position.

The tweet referred to table 2 from this publication:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf

Just in case @joy also does not want to look at the PDF because nobody takes them seriously, I will summarize the data in that table:

The last two rows are the salient ones. They are “Rates among persons vaccinated with 2 doses (per 100,000)” and “Rates among persons not vaccinated (per 100,000)”. (Note, they are per 100,000!)

They show that for every age range from 30 and up those vaccinated with two doses had higher rates of Covid-19 cases than those who were unvaccinated, and in four of the age ranges twice or more the rates.

Given that the UK has very high rates of vaccination the vaccines clearly do not prevent you from being infected with SARS-CoV-2 or even passing it on.

That is, the vaccines are useless.

Perhaps you have a different interpretation and I wonder what someone with such deficiencies in thinking skills would come up with.

John B(): “She’s also from the UK.” Nope. It’s okay; she’s from Barcelona.

I find it incomprehensible as well that the #ClotShot manufacturers do not try to come up with vaccines that stimulate the production of IgA antibodies. I find it incomprehensible because SARS-CoV-2, the causative agent of Covid-19 is a respiratory virus so it has to get in via the epithelial cells in your air ways, and the first line of defense there is IgA antibodies.

The #ClotShot, however, stimulates the production of IgG antibodies, which are of limited use against a respiratory virus.

In addition, it seems that the #ClotShot down-regulates the production of antibodies against the N protein even for those who contracted SARS-CoV-2, which seems to imply that they are destroying people’s immune system:

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/urgent-covid-vaccines-will-keep-you/comments

crew Learn some manners. Stop being abusive.
I don’t want to read your link since you haven’t addressed any of the points raised above, you’re simply trying to smoke screen the discussion
Twitter is not the place to go for quality information and you know it is so.

You’re not linking for your pal. You’re linking for an opponent of your view.
I have no reason to trust you whatsoever

The majority here can’t describe their [point of view. Most don’t understand the matter at all and yet you endlessly link publications.
I had enough with the “important new paper”
That was about the moment when I think Briggs lost my trust.
So the level and quality of “evidence” here has been distinctly lacking for a long time.
Address the real claims of the people recommending the vaccination.
Discussions about mandates are another matter entirely as well. That’s also forgotten.

Crew: The problem is that coronavirus vaccines have all flunked animal trials. That is not trivial. The immune system is complicated and not well understood.

Last comment on this,
Re Downing street quote, the number was 80 and 99%, (“89” was a typo.)
That was for Az and Pfizer respectively.
When the deputy CMO explained the immunity was waining, she explained that this was happening in the patients who had the jab longer back in time.

This was also predicted last year. It was not know how long ‘protection’ would last.
Now we are being told as is only to be expected, that this is like the flu jab, in that it requires yearly vaccines.

Boosters are not being offered to low risk groups. The aim is to offer those who are in the higher risk groups, (Those who would normally receive the flu vaccine in previous years.)

The announcement was also of two more drugs for anti viral therapy fo rCovid.
If they are effective. Your entire hissy fit X 10 will indeed be all for no purpose except to blow off some steam.
So the scientists are still working on better and better, while all the politicking and protesting is going on.
Occupational Health and companies will have to keep up with those developments.

damn, 80 and 90%! (numbers are hard without bump-ons! Must remember to order some.

Here is a reason that N-protein antibodies are important:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7917548/

Here’s the abstract. Read the whole thing:

“Nucleoprotein (N) is an immunodominant antigen in many enveloped virus infections. While the diagnostic value of anti?N antibodies is clear, their role in immunity is not. This is because while they are non?neutralising, they somehow clear infection by coronavirus, influenza and LCMV in vivo. Here, we show that anti?N immune protection is mediated by the cytosolic Fc receptor and E3 ubiquitin ligase TRIM21. Exploiting LCMV as a model system, we demonstrate that TRIM21 uses anti?N antibodies to target N for cytosolic degradation and generate cytotoxic T cells (CTLs) against N peptide. These CTLs rapidly eliminate N?peptide?displaying cells and drive efficient viral clearance. These results reveal a new mechanism of immune synergy between antibodies and T cells and highlights N as an important vaccine target.”

Yeah Anon, I would not take the jab if you’re not comfortable with it.

Quite ridiculous that many have to deal with these vexxine mandates at work!

Joy is fine. Leave her be. Many of us do not agree with each other.
Also, anon wrote that she is Catholic and that the J&J is the vexxine she would need to take. Where is the empathy among us for one forced into the position of taking a med manufactured with murdered baby parts, or else?? And the other vexxines were tested with murdered baby parts. Asking God to provide.
God bless, C-Marie

“…I’m with the people telling the truth and treating patients.”

Funniest thing I’ve read all day!

“At this point as I type, the curser is moving without my moving it. The letters appear after the curser, so again, reasons not to trust the place”

Okay…scratch the above…THIS is the funniest thing I’ve read all day! Are you seriously suggesting that Briggs’ site is somehow manipulating your device’s cursor? And you call ME a “conspiracist”? LOL…absolutely hilarious (This thread today has been pure joy! 😉 Just hope Briggs doesn’t make my cursor say things I might regret later!)

And yes, I dismiss and avoid the bilge flowing from Downing Street as much as that spewed from our own Regime outfits – White House, CDC, FDA, Fauci, etc…all of the same ilk, and all owned by the same oligarchic & Big Pharma interests. (The UK’s might actually be even worse, since they are the employers of that arch deceiver Neil Ferguson, whose phony models helped steer the UK, the US, and others onto their disastrous Covid policy course in the first place).

Anon,

The vaccine exemption letter from the National Catholic Bioethics Center is here:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5e3ada1a6a2e8d6a131d1dcd/t/6124ec291ca627394c21673a/1629809706093/Catholic+Vaccine+Exemption+Template+Letter.pdf

It can be boiled down to a conscientious objection, that the mandate violates your physical, intellectual, and spiritual integrity.

And all this is why I saw a long time ago that there is no use talking to ol’Anglican Joy. Anything you say to her now refuting her belief in the impeccable medicine gods and their experts or the idea that anything that goes wrong is only due to honest confusion and the fog of war and not due to deliberate intentional criminality will be conveniently forgotten by Joy when the next thread rolls around. So whenever you see her name, just scroll right past it.

NIH Admits Funding Gain-Of-Function COVID Experiments; Gives EcoHealth Five Days To Report Data
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/nih-admits-funding-gain-function-covid-experiments-gives-ecohealth-five-days-report

“Absurd” – Masks Mandated In Irish Nightclubs…But Not When Drinking Or Dancing

“We’re told, for example, you can dance at nightclubs but you can’t go to the bar for a drink, it’s very confusing. You could probably dance to the bar,” quipped Social Democrats co-leader Catherine Murphy.

“Just laughable. This cannot be about health,” commented another respondent.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/absurd-masks-mandated-irish-nightclubsbut-not-when-drinking-or-dancing

A sure sign that compliance is going well is when they have to start bribing people. Too bad for all you suckers that caved in early!
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/nyc-mayor-expands-vaccine-mandate-all-city-workers-offers-500-carrot

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Meanwhile in post-soviet Russia, vaccine covids you!

Putin Orders All Workers Home For One Week Amid Record COVID Surge

Putin further expressed frustrations with the course the pandemic is taking, after the vaccine has long been available to all seeking it: “I can’t understand what’s going on,” he said. “We have a reliable and efficient vaccine. The vaccine really reduces the risks of illness, grave complications and death.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/putin-orders-all-workers-home-week-amid-record-covid-surge

Ohhhhh whatever could it beeeee? Why case surge when more people vaccinated? I don’t understand! I only know how to run country! Summon my experts!

Dennis, you haven’t been here long enough and you don’t know what you’re talking about
with regards to this site
There is evidence sill left all over the place in the comments which does identify that there are indeed problems with the site, just as there no doubt is with any site that is involved in religion and politics.
That you think that’s not possible shows you are naive.
Briggs has also been hacked in the past whichI presume means that all emails that were on the list have been ‘used’ or potentially may be ‘used’ in the future by easily identifiable names on the site. It’s the safest way to consider that matter. If you didn’t subscribe back then maybe you have no worries.

Regarding your depiction of Downing street’s statements as bilge? That’s your loss. You can’t be taken seriously as a commentator if you won’t look at the actual claims of those who you say are involved in worldwide conspiracy.

If you want to discuss the hacking, I hacking, you email briggs or look it up in old posts.
Briggs took it as a badge office, naturally.
Regarding comment box? you don’t clearly how the software can operate.
I also have it on good authority, from a software engineer working at a high level of secrecy at GCHQ, friend of a friend:
As a general point, reading what people type on a website as they are writing is entirely possible and is done.
It’s not what you know it’s who you know?
Those are the facts. I expect you’ll be safe given your demographic.

Re. Johhno above: citing, “‘Just laughable. This cannot be about health,’ commented another respondent.”

Of course not, and it never has been about health. Perhaps ultra-absurd rules as this Irish niteclub idiocy are a good thing – maybe they’ll wake more people up to reality. Then again, too many things have happened the last 20 months that should already have woken everyone up…I’m afraid at least half the people every where are a lost cause now. Minds just too blasted by Covidiocy.

As for Joy: “Regarding your depiction of Downing street’s statements as bilge? That’s your loss. You can’t be taken seriously as a commentator if you won’t look at the actual claims of those who you say are involved in worldwide conspiracy.”

I read plenty, from a wide variety of sources (though I have cut back on Covid stuff in recent months to get back on track with real reading…literature, history, etc…done with wasting too much time with Covid at this point). But if you think I’m going to trust your pet govt shills as fonts of wisdom and authority, or spend hours watching various video links of Chris Whitty testimony just because he sends thrill down your leg, I’ve got better things to do.

“If you didn’t subscribe back then maybe you have no worries…I expect you’ll be safe given your demographic.”

I have no worries, and really couldn’t give a shi*t if someone found out my address or full name…Wouldn’t affect my life a bit. What are they gonna do with it? Send me an email? Join the junk queue. I can’t be doxed in any way over anything I’ve ever posted here that would matter to me, nor would I not stand by anything I’ve said.

Don’t know what you mean with that “demographic” line, unless it’s to imply that you are somehow super-important and a really high-value target for potential hackers, while I obviously am not. Excuse me while I go grab my tinfoil hat and have a good laugh.

Here’s some more info you might want to pay attention to from your much-vaunted UK sources (buried deep inside away from the headlines, of course: “…recent observations from UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) surveillance data that N antibody levels appear to be lower in individuals who acquire infection following 2 doses of vaccination.” (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf)

This is not good, to say the least, for the vax fanatic crowd. I could link to some interpretive aids, but I’ll let Dr. Joy explain to us all how this is akshually a good thing and proof the jabs are working great.

@Dennis that relates to the article I posted about how N antibodies and TRI21 seem to be important to fighting off viruses.

Yes. Seems these jabs really do ultimately destroy the immune system, while providing only short-term protection from the virus they are mean to fight.

I’d wager this is a feature, not a bug. Probably part of a population reduction plan.

The charitable view (i.e. the one that assumes that drug companies weren’t doing anything actively nefarious goes like this):

-Companies want to get a vaccine out immediately. They know that world governments are willing to order bigger supplies than for any previous vaccine in the history of the world and are willing to pay top dollar. If they are too late they might not get any slice of the pie especially as they’ll need an Emergency Use Authorization, and governments will be hesitant to authorize more than a few vaccines.
-Normally vaccinating for a coronavirus wouldn’t be worth trying, since they mutate too fast to obtain long term immunity. You’d have to sink years of research into something that will likely fail trials two or three years down the road.
-But the standards have been lowered. No one cares about the long term effectiveness since governments want a vaccine now. Thus as long as you can get something that works decently in the short term you’re good to go. Even if your vaccine is abandoned down the road you’ll still make loads of money.
-There is still the hurdle of needing short term effectiveness, which the vaccines struggle to hit because the effectiveness decays so fast. There’s no time to actually fix things, so just increase the dosage so that you’ll be able to barely clear the hurdle. That makes the vaccine more dangerous but who cares? There is tremendous pressure for the FDA to just look the other way.
-Pharma companies are hesitant about how to handle boosters. They’ll have to do it eventually, since they know that their vaccines are crap in the long term. But if they do it too early they might push people away from taking them.
-Their greed gets the better of them and they start floating the idea for boosters only a few months after the rollout. To their surprise there is very little pushback to the idea. Loads of money round two, here we come.
-In testing of boosters it is discovered that natural antibodies are being suppressed. Pharmaceutical companies may not have planned that, but they’re hardly going to complain. Governments are too committed to the vaccine plan to back out now. Both silently agree to do boosters forever.

That’s one way it could have played out, assuming only greed on the part of big pharma and a reckless rush to “do something” on the part of the government. Other scenarios are of course possible (and probably more likely.)

“I have no worries, and really couldn’t give a shi*t if someone found out my address or full name…’
Yeah, until they do. Everybody thinks that.

Whatever matters to you? Even if you think it’s nothing? IS on the agenda for disruption and general fun and games, psychological torment.
You were warned.
Chris witty?
He’s a Dr of a type, a clinical lead. He might be wrong in the fullness of time, but he’s not a liar. The argument is valid whether witty make a point or the devil or a saint.

he’s not dishonest. As it happens, I don’t care what others think of him either. Says something ab out their attitude. Nothing more

Where you get thrills down the leg? Ha!

Erm…I’m struggling to think of “leg thrills?” Is that a thing?In the Us?

On your reading choice? That is a wise decision even though you think we are the enemy.
People would do well to think about something else.

Take heart! Trump has launchd an internet space from which nobody can ban him.
Things continue to improve

“Where you get thrills down the leg? Ha!”

Like Chris Matthews when he hears Obama speak. Actually he said a “thrill UP my leg,” my mistake. Guess it’s a US thing. I could have used a more overtly suggestive image if you prefer…but then again I was already accused of being uncivil, so don’t want to add vulgar or unchivalrous as well.

You’re far more charitable toward Big Pharma and their motives than I am at this point, Rudolph. Especially if what Russell Haley had to say about potential “self organizing metallic rings” and nanoparticles in the new thread today turns out to be true (wouldn’t surprise me a bit at this point).

And I don’t believe they are totally acting independently either – any more than various Big Tech companies and social media platforms are truly acting independently when they all collude to de-platform certain views or people. All are agents of a corrupt Deep State Regime answering to people beyond their own boardrooms.

“Yeah, until they do. Everybody thinks that. Whatever matters to you? Even if you think it’s nothing? IS on the agenda for disruption and general fun and games, psychological torment.”

Anyone’s name and address (not just email, but real) are easy to find if anyone really wants to. Just to amuse myself a couple years ago, I remember some rather well known journalist – who shall remain unnamed – going on about the whole kerfluffle over Tucker Carlson’s address being doxed, and how this journo tries to protect his own address for his family’s protection, and how these are “sacred”, etc…It took me all of 10 minutes to find this journo’s address based on just knowing the city he lives in, his last name, and pics on his website (which he obviously didn’t realize were as revealing as they were – they key clue was a sliver of a particular bend in his driveway and sidewalk) – not only address, but also the deed to his house, listed owner (his wife and father – as an attorney, I commend him on good risk planning not to have the house in his name for liability protection, in case he’s ever sued for defamation or something), what they paid and when, how much their property tax is, etc…Didn’t do anything with it, of course – no reason or desire to – and didn’t save any of it…but even I was a bit stunned how easily and quickly I found it all.

“but then again I was already accused of being uncivil, so don’t want to add vulgar or unchivalrous as well.”

Sorry for calling you uncivil…I took your point given the context.
On reading your comment, on the back of a lot of most of the rest, that’s how it came over.

Wise not to elaborate on leg thrills. Especially if it has anything to do with Obama.

However It is just a brute fact that my reaction to Chris Witty predates any of the politics of today.
He’s not even my favourite! I prefer Patrick Valance. Just that Chris is clearly a practising Dr and it comes across. Makes me miss work that I used to do.

Rudolph Harrier; “The charitable view (i.e. the one that assumes that drug companies weren’t doing anything actively nefarious goes like this)…”

The charitable view is that they’re merely lining their pockets. I’m not feeling charitable.

The Safe and Effective Vaccine is very like the Holy Roman Empire, in that it is neither safe nor effective, nor is it a vaccine.

True as far as the vaxes go…but I must reject Voltaire’s oft-repeated dismissal of the HRE. Any political organization that lasted 1000 years, and was the over-arching political unit across much of Europe during the most fertile centuries of European cultural flourishing from the Carolingian Renaissance to the High Middle-Ages through the Renaissance and beyond – until it, like so much that made Europe great, was murdered by the madness of the French Revolution and its bastard-child, Napoleon – is nothing to sniff at!

Also, the Emperor was the katechon – this one reason why so much political and social madness and anarchy since 1806.

The EU is just a pale imitation, wannabe HRE, but lacking the proper spiritual and religious basis that helped hold the HRE together and give it meaning.

For the future of Europe – the heart of Western, Christian Culture – we must RETVRN and restore the HRE!

I read anon’s sad tale and noticed how very many comments there were. I thought “that’ll be a lot of people offering sympathy”.

But, no. Thanks for nothing, Joy.

Talking of tearless tyrants;
We’re not just talking about anyone’s name and address.
Also, that does not excuse those squeezing for information to help vigil antis.
There will be justice for those types too

The last time I looked, the US is even easier than you mention.
Given your declared state of mind and including your most recent remark, I think that says enough.
The ones wondering why catholics need to be kept in check, the old inquisitive kind?
All working together in a team don’t you know. One finds out one thing, the next finds out something else, then someone does the “wet work”
All can pretend that they are totally hands free!
When they. Can’t find anything? They can always make it up…saves time!
It’s all about the power anyway, truth doesn’t make an appearance.

If I’ve worked it out, you can bet those working for the angels have also done the same

Regarding on line security and risk? There’s little you can say that I don’t know already and I’ve done the live experiment, so again, you’re preaching the alphabet.

When you’ve heard “people” talk about people “falling down the stairs”
On podcasts, which I expect have been removed or edited. You get the measure of a man’s thinking. Given our recent situation in Essex, so close by, we are all acutely aware of where the risks really are. The US hasn’t reached that stage yet and if it ever does, they’ll be alone and will have walked in with eyes open. So I suggest a bit more careful and deep, unselfish thinking is required from the radical Catholics. They help feed innocent lambs to the slaughter, safe from their armchair. They apparently have short arms and can’t reach real books on the high shelves.

either that, or the prescribed ones don’t weigh much

“Alas, Experts have determined, with the full backing of tyrants, that you are not allowed to fear for your safety in other but approved ways. “
Irony! Worrying about a nut on the right rear wheel when the Engine has smoke coming out.
You may fear the coroandoom, and even should,
Because?
even if, as with most, the risk is low, and even vanishing,…]
Hugh? That’s not a reason to be afraid it’s a reason not to be afraid.
Did the definition of “corona doom” change, mid sentence there? For japes?
One has to be in the mindset of the ‘corona doom’ person, to know the subtitles of this niche language
Another thought:
The premise in the above letter for assistance (fully accepted by the author of the post and the commenters which followed)
Was that it is already established that the vaccine WILL cause harm.
That is just not true.
Once it is established in detail given the precise clinical diagnosis and history of this lady, a full explanation of her OWN views and thoughts, too, it would then be entirely right to offer and informed and education indeed qualified decision in the matter of what input/referral is indicated.

Clarification:
Once it is established in detail given the precise clinical diagnosis and history of this lady, a full explanation of her OWN views and thoughts, too, it would then be entirely right to offer an informed and educated, or even qualified decision in the matter of which input/referral is indicated.

Simon, I think most everyone expressed sympathy for her plight – and outrage at those who’ve put her in that situation.

I honestly don’t know, Joy, what that stuff at 9:06 is supposed to mean, excepts apparently I need to fear some neo-Inquisition (LOL) doing “wet work” out to get Radical Catholics (of which I am one apparently ) who are themselves “leading lambs to the slaughter” (or at least to “falling stairs”) from the safety of an armchair. Quite rambling and confusing, but I don’t think any Left-Cath goons will be after me soon.

Once the true Empire, and throne and altar RETVRN, we’ll take care of the Left-Caths. 🙂

Some stunning stuff today from Ben Braddock on the military vax mandate and how it is being implemented: https://benjaminbraddock.substack.com/p/defense-department-pulls-a-bait-and

But the most the most disturbing issue is not the military’s coercive and illegal program itself, but that the ingredient list for the EUA Pfizer Bio-NTech vax is clearly not the same as the “approved” Pfizer “Comirnaty” vax, even though FDA assured us they were exactly the same and just a “branding” matter (Which never made sense on it’s face. If there is an “approved” vax – and none could have completed all trial phases at this stage to have earned full “approval” legitimately, but leave that BS aside for a sec – then once one was “approved,” not only Pfizer’s EUA version, but all other Covid EUA vaxes as well, should have been withdrawn. The existence of an “approved” treatment negates the very basis of EUAs).

From Braddock: “According to the formulation comparison sheet, the Comirnaty vaccine product has a very different formulation than the Pfizer BioNTech product—on a per 30 ?g dose basis for instance, it contains 25 percent more SARS-CoV-2 spike glycoprotein mRNA, 34 percent more polyethylene glycol, 1070 percent more potassium chloride, as well as an ingredient listed only as ‘Redacted Ingredient’.”

What trials were conducted to test this new vax formula? How can you just substitute a substantially revised formula compared to the EUA version and get basically instantaneous “full approval”?

This is a massive smoking gun and should be front-page news everywhere (but, of course, it will be ignored by the Regime media and politicians), and alone should justify a halt to all Covid vaxes NOW. What is this mystery “Redacted Ingredient” they don’t want us to know about? (Is it perhaps related to the “self organizing metallic rings” and nanoparticles Russell Haley mentioned in the other thread yesterday?). Was it also in the first vax formula and not even listed as “Redacted”? Is it in the other Covid vaxes as well, or just Pfizer’s? What possible legitimate justification could there be for redacting ANY ingredients? (And no – things like “proprietary business/production secrets” or “intellectual property” rights don’t cut it in matters such as this. Far too much is at stake. The public must know, and there must be full disclosure of EVERYTHING these jabs contain).

As Braddock rightly points out, one cannot give full informed consent to any vaccine whose ingredients are being HIDDEN from the public (a public that is being subjected to an unprecedented campaign of coercion to take these jabs for a virus that poses little risk to the vast majority of people. Why, in God’s name, are they so hell-bent on everyone taking these? WHAT is really in them?).

STOP THE JABS NOW! ANY CONTINUED USE OF THEM IS PERPETUATING AN ABSOLUTE CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!

Dennis, for a lawyer, you’e very poor at comprehension.
Read again, the comment you’re supposedly interpreting.
It’s straight forward. You’re one of the radicals but I doubt you’re gonna like any of your team members!
That’s why you’re all doomed to failure!

I would submit that the problem is one not one of comprehension by the reader, but of authorial confusion. 🙂

In the original sense, perhaps I am a radical – radix meaning “root,” getting out the root of things, fundamentals, etc – but the real radicals (in the colloquial political sense) are the modernists and Left-Caths who depart from Tradition. I don’t consider myself a “Radical Catholic,” just a Catholic as such had always been understood until circa 1969; much as Julius Evola said of his political beliefs: “My principles are only those that, before the French Revolution, every well-born person considered sane and normal.”

I would like to know which “team members” you think I wouldn’t like! Need to know who to avoid.

Getting TO the root…that should say above. Stupid autocorrect typos.

“I would submit that the problem is one not one of comprehension by the reader, but of authorial confusion. ?

That’s. anew one authorial is that a word?
Sounds like one of those American “academic” made up words.
Full transparency, haven’t read past line on eyet:
(will …)
If I were judge, you’d be on a charge.,.straight to my chambers and don’t pass go.
Lawyers need putting in their place at every opportunity.
I knew a judge who was in charge of bad lawyers, “naughty obys” as he coined it.
I wonder if that’s the calling you missed?

I know you’ll take this the wrong way so no point asking you not to but:
The world regarding medicine is a very litigious world. A very brittle and rules driven world.
That’s not the medical world. I’m sorry to be the one to break it to all the pedants and otherwise unyielding types out there. Lawyers aren’t the only ones: Teachers, most policemen…left wing media types?

Your world, not “the world”
“the world” of medicine is just trying to muddle through.
The lawyer’s idea of the medical world is Utopian.
Like Briggs nihilist notions of how it should all be done:

Medical science isn’t physics! It is a soft science.
Medical science is trial and error. Learning from the error, but always pretending to be “exact”. Always less than exact.

There’s some kind of unrealistic idealism about how it is all perceived to work.
That feeds the sense of outrage and disappointment from the ones who think they know it all.

that feeds the irritation of those who do (know it all)
In summary:
Those who think they know everything, are annoying those of us who do!

“That’s. anew one authorial is that a word? Sounds like one of those American “academic” made up words.”

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/authorial

Or perhaps a UK source more to your liking: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/authorial

I’d try the self-proclaimed “Definitive Record of the English Language,” but alas, OED.com requires a subscription (Oddly, they screw their British customers paying in Pounds, charging them about 37% more. Annual subscription is either £100 or $100, but at present exchange rate, $100 is actually only about £73, so £100 should be about $137. Hmmm, odd).

“I know you’ll take this the wrong way so no point asking you not to but: The world regarding medicine is a very litigious world. A very brittle and rules driven world…”

I don’t even know what the lines after the colon are supposed to prove, or be a response to, in order to even be offended or “take the wrong way.”

Is it a response to the thread and vax issue in general, or to something specific I said (perhaps to the stuff above today about the Braddock article?)…I can’t tell. As usual though, the stuff I’m most deadly serious about – like the issues raised in the Braddock article about the Pfizer Comirnaty formula and the “Redacted Ingredient,” which are indeed explosive and should be front-page news everywhere – get no response or traction, while lesser things do. Maybe because it’s the weekend, I dunno. Maybe should have saved that for the next Tuesday update.

Wow, if I weren’t convinced the covid-cult were a bunch of spittle-flecked whack jobs before I would now.

If you don’t understand, I’m happy to live with that situation!
Just realised your 2021 comment which I did not read completely so I launched into another observation of how the medical science is perceived by those who know little to nothing about it, now receiving a crash course in reality.
…
The meaning of the word authorial? is obvious. It’s very American ‘sounding’ though, does that satisfy you?
OED IS the English dictionary. Perhaps you need to read more Shakespeare and less legal reports. More OED, less internet WickiDiciionaryPedia.
Maybe play some of that monk music? Or something a bit better.

“Maybe should have saved that for the next Tuesday update.”
Every day is a covid day on Twitter, blogs and social media
Like every day is a Trump day on CNN

Catch you later on your 2021 question.
(Radical Catholics and so on)

(October 23rd 2021 @ 7:11 pm)

Dennis:

You make a fair point. I was just using Voltaire’s joke about the HRE as a familiar quip applied to the vaccines. I agree the HRE at inception was an empire, it was Roman in asserting itself as the restoration of the Western Empire (denied of course by the Eastern Empire), and Holy in the sense of being ordained by the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church (which lacked authority to appoint Roman Emperors).

The HRE became the German Empire under the Ottonian emperors and persisted in that form for a time, but by Voltaire’s time I think his quip was fair. It could reasonably be considered to have ceased to function as an empire after 1648. Thirty Years War and all that.

I’m not sure what school of theology identifies Napoleon with the katechon of Second Thessalonians, or whether this is simply a political concept, but I’ll defer to your expertise. I do note that Second Thessalonians is one of the pseudo-Pauline texts, for what it’s worth.

And then there’s this:

https://nomoresilence.world/pfizer-biontech/maddie-de-garay-pfizer-12-15-year-old-clinical-trials/

That poor child and her parents thought they were doing the “right” thing. They were completely propagandized, of course.

“Maybe play some of that monk music? Or something a bit better.”

I do listen to a lot Gregorian chant. There is nothing better.

“Catch you later on your 2021 question.”

I have no idea what my “2021 question” is supposed to be.

“Perhaps you need to read more Shakespeare and less legal reports.”

Personally, I’ve always found Shakespeare and that whole Elizabethan idiom rather tiresome. On a Dante and Dostoevsky binge right now – double anniversary year, 700th death of Dante, 200th birth of Dostoevsky – so I’ll stick with those. Detours planned to new Laszlo Krasznahorkai novella released next week, and some Céline (new bio out soon), Baudelaire (new “Fleurs du Mal” translation out soon for his 200th birth anniversary as well), and Heimito von Doderer (much overdue first English translation of “The Strudelhof Steps” due in December). That’s my reading plan for the remainder of 2021 – far more interesting to me than Covid, which has overstayed its welcome and should kindly piss off now. 🙂

“You make a fair point. I was just using Voltaire’s joke about the HRE as a familiar quip applied to the vaccines”

I figured that. I just couldn’t resist a chance to simp for the late lamented Holy Roman Empire!

“I’m not sure what school of theology identifies Napoleon with the katechon of Second Thessalonians”

The line about the Emperor as katechon referred to the true Holy Roman Emperors, not that jumped-up Corsican parvenu and self-proclaimed “emperor”! 🙂

In his book “The Sunset of Tradition and the Origin of the Great War,” Alexander Wolfheze has an interesting chapter on the Emperor as katechon (his book itself is greatly influenced by Evola, Guénon, and Gomez Davila). The great 20thC. Catholic mystic, Valentin Tomberg (in his magnum opus, “Meditations on the Tarot” – which is not about cartomancy!), has also written about how “Europe is haunted by the shadow of the Emperor. One senses his absence just as vividly as in former times one sensed his presence. Because the emptiness of the wound speaks, that which we miss knows how to make us sense it.”

Jonestown. Coming your way.

If you want covid to go away, stop talking about it and just carry on regardless. Do your thing and take no notice. That’s what most people are doing who disagree!

The more you react the more the political enemies of the right continue the nonsense.
The epidemic subject, is helping the enemies of the west and the globalists. At least now in England the subject of freedom and specifically free speech is now on the agenda. If you think the UK will prevail for long without the US turning right again you’re not understanding the situation fully.

Shakespeare? Done well it is beyond all the hype that is put out by the pretentious types. It is just poetry and the best there has ever been. It is music with words. Even when it’s spoken and not understood. Layer on layer of understanding is a quality that isn’t in many other kinds of play or even films.

The language and even original words everybody uses, owe more to him than they owe to any other single writer.
Even those who don’t like him or haven’t heard of him.

If you haven’t you should take look at Twelfth Night:
The live show from the Globe was a masterpiece and is (on DVD)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDPT2e26SgY

Johnathan Ross, (was a Shakespeare heretic) had a conversion moment and went back to watch again. He realised what all the fuss was about. Shakespeare has that effect on people.
He’s just the best poet the world has ever known

I can see its tiresome, of course it is in some respects.
Some of the plays were not edited as much. Some had less interesting settings to play around with.

My favourite’s King Lear, but comedies are best if you’re not going to study it prior to watching. *That’s the best way, just like school days.
There’s also something in the fact that there’s that slight barrier to language that makes sad things more sad, and funny things more funny.

Gregorian chant is one of the better kinds of music. Too much to choose from

“If you want covid to go away, stop talking about it and just carry on regardless. Do your thing and take no notice.”

Oh, I try….unfortunately, the Covidian tyrants will not let it go away. As the old saw goes, “You may not be interested in Covid (or more precisely the Covidians and their response to and use of Covid as a pretext to serve their evil ends), but Covid and THEY are very interested in you, and will not let you rest.”

Jonestown?

Jonestown

Reverend Jim Jones

Got everyone to take the Vacc … I mean “Drink the Koolaid” (1978)

You’re not THAT young are you?

I know what Jonestown is – though I was only 4 in 1978, so mainly know about it from documentaries seen years later, not personal recollection at the time – just wasn’t clear on the intended meaning of Philemon’s cryptic reference in context at that point on this thread.

“Coming your way” indeed…perhaps it’s already here. How many millions, or perhaps billions by now, of kool-aid drinks – I mean Covid “vaccines” – have already been served?

Maybe Big Pharma can put up billboards like those old McDonald’s signs: “Over x Billion Served.” But instead of the arches, above the line is Bill Gates grinning evilly, one hand holding a giant syringe, the other clutching a crying child by the arm.

After posting

Think of the parents who dutifully gave their children the Koolaid to ‘protect’ them as well as themselves

“Oh, I try…”.Nah you don’t Dennis. You revel in it. Just like CNN, Twitter, Facebook, internet blogs?

Whether any headway is being made is debatable. It seems that nobody except those who already share a bias, take any notice at all.

That’s why respect for logic and science and therefore the truth matter
“God gave us a spirit not of fear but of love power and of a sound mind. “

IN a true debate or discussion people agree on certain principles to begin with, even define their terms! Heaven forfend. It’l be a frosty Friday when that happens, as my grandmother used to say.

I’ve always found that there are points of agreement in the most diametrically opposed views held by a given pair of individuals. Stepping slowly through the reasoning is the way forward. Of course arguing is fun at times and so is exchanging elaborate insults, as long as you’re not on the receiving end!

When the group is infinite and so many aren’t there for a result, the discussion is like an exercise in herding cats. Add to that the fact that pieces of information on line are actually false. Nobody takes the time to step through and fact check, to the satisfaction of both. In fact I learn recently from here, that “fact check’ is anathema to some who otherwise want to be taken seriously.

So really what you/we have is a shouting free for all. Fun, for some, a thrill, for others, but going nowhere very slowly and repetitively.

Meanwhile covid epidemic is continuing and will end regardless of what peripheral people think.

A deficit of faith and underestimation of fellow countrymen is also at the route of so much of the hopelessness felt by the coroneadoom crowd.

I wonder if the Star Trek series ever visited a cult wherein everybody had to dress up like Winnie?
Or perhaps Narnia! Star trek goes to Narnia to rescue Lucy who is “all grown up now”, caught up in a Turkish delight pushing gang, run by her bad brother.

Niche audience, (I feel)

“Meanwhile covid epidemic is continuing…”

Any “epidemic” or “pandemic” in a genuine medical emergency sense has long been over (at least 15 months)…What continues is a high-cycle PCR test-induced “casedemic” propped-up by govt and media lies, paranoia, and propaganda in support of nefarious agendas.

Joy

That Narnia episode would be more suited to Lost In Space.

They had an episode in which Penny found herself a Fairy Tail Princess (with Michael J Pollard)

Michael J Pollard also starred in a Star Trek episode with a sort of Princess/Queen “Miri” (I believe we discussed Miri last year – one of the episodes banned by the BBC because of the troubling subject matter – Scientists working on “Gain of Function” and releasing a virus which killed all the grownups – GRUPS. The gain-of-function did work because the children lived a few hundred years as children until they hit puberty. It was a really nasty virus for ‘old’ people.

There WAS of course STTOS “Shore Leave” in which Dr McCoy found himself chasing a girl that was chasing a rabbit that disappeared into a hedge crying “I’m Late!” as they all disappeared through a hedge

Oh my, I’ve just been listening to Sir Mark Rylance on the YouTube vid to the right of the one I linked, from Brunel University.
He first speaks of a “flashmob” at Westminster Abbey which seemed very apt.
Then a few minutes later,
STAR TREK came UP!
I honestly didn’t know or haven’t seen the video.
Mark is American, parents, English, brought up in the US, (you can hear it in his voice)

He also very well described the very thing I was trying to get a handle on when speaking about “layers”
Where,certain monologues or speeches in a play have deeper resonance and a complex meaning with the audience but they stand on their own too.
That’s not an algorithm. Or someone listening to my thoughts. That’s coincidence.

You say Coincidences
I say GodInstances
Briggs says “The Theory of Large Numbers”

Let’s call the whole thing off!

correction,
It [IS] someone listening to my thoughts, not listening to my conversations!

Rabbits make a habit of that hedge trick
I really don’t like Spock. REALLY don’t like Spock
Kirk has oldly gone though, good for him. Spell guesser wants “boldly”, caught him red handed!

Well I was alluding to Godinstance, lack the vocabulary, being English

GodInstance? Just made that up on the fly
I usually say it’s a “God Thing”
(That pesky mind reader)

Well Spock was conflicted. First he was Spock and then he was not Spock and then he was Spock again.

Spock stood for all us nerds that didn’t quite fit in (Spock didn’t fit in as human and he was eschewed by other Vulcans – so doubly so)

No you didn’t! I ‘got’ the word from you!
With Spock it’s even more shallow with me.
It’s the way he looks. Like goth meets that hideous character that pops up on the internet if yougeet hacked by a certain kind of group, or if the algorithm latches on…

Then there’s the fact he’s not supposed to have emotions, could never suspend my disbelief for sci fi. It’s not pretty. Too much plastic and metal. Too many uniforms and shiny walls. Like coals to newcastle.

As for nerds not fitting in? I’ve never fitted in except by accident.

Dear coronadoom Land cult members:
How does that work?
comments 12:02 and then 7:46 AM.
Not chronological?

AS for the content of those comments you really have to question yourselves when your’e making comments like that.
You appear to be being influenced by emotion about mandates.
Vaccines are not deadly, as you both depict.
If it’s satire or attempts at it, it’s really attacking those who have taken the vaccine, not those supposedly pushing people into it.
So it’s misplaced at best
Notwithstanding the fact that the vaccines are safe. Thearguments are about how effective they are and at which stage.
Nobody except those in the internet, seem to think arguing safety is a route to changing minds over the vaccine mandates by placing doubt over the medicine.
It’s pretty vile to depict parents in the way you do. So that’s either a strongly held conviction or it’s over the top rhetoric.

“How does that work?
comments 12:02 and then 7:46 AM.
Not chronological?”

Perhaps you are on a different planet (might explain some things!), but here on Earth 7:46AM does indeed come after 12:02AM chronologically.

“Notwithstanding the fact that the vaccines are safe…”

Not only is this demonstrably untrue, but even IF it were true, it would not justify mandates and the burgeoning Covid Vax Apartheid states being built worldwide, via an unprecedented campaign of coercion to get everyone to take experimental new jabs (with unknown long-term side-effects and alredy proven dangerous short-term ones) for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate. Even if the jabs weren’t experimental (and they are), and even if Big Pharma and the FDA weren’t playing games over vax ingredients and terminology (they are – see above from the weekend about the Braddock article, especially Pfizer’s mystery “Redacted Ingredient”), and even if the fact that Pfizer (and probably the others as well) is hiding vax ingredients wouldn’t negate entirely the possibility of ANYONE giving “full informed consent” to these jabs, one would have an absolute moral right to decline to take them, and also to not be subjected to govt and corporate pressure and reprisals (loss of jobs, right to travel, right to go to school, even right to see kids – as some heinous family court judges have decreed – etc.) for not doing so.

Once again, you are missing the point entirely about mandates: It doesn’t matter whether the jabs “work” or are “safe” or not; mandates and coercion to take an experimental new drug treatment, regardless of safety or efficacy, are inherently immoral and legally unjustified. Period.

God catch! with the Chronology!
(I don’t even trust the comments to appear in sequence as they have perviously changed)
However to still be claiming that the vaccines are demonstrably not safe, is where your argument falls flat.

How are you defining “safe’
That is a direct question.
Is Aspirin safe?

You always run into the distance with your points. Yet you’ve not established the first point that they are dangerous and killing people (more than, for example, the contraceptive pill or aspirin, anti-inflamatories, steroids, penecillin )
First define your idea of safe
Or people listening to you wil switch off, as do I when this kind of remark is made.
You can base an entire pack of cards on a false notion.

Hating Bill Gates is not relevant here.
“House of cards”, not pack.
It’s a pack of lies though.

as for this:
“Once again, you are missing the point entirely about mandates:”
No, it’s an obvious point, not missed and spotted before you or anyone here ever made it.

It seems you are under the illusion that some of the argumentation is somehow hard to understand. It isn’t
What is complex and treated in a facile way, is the management of a novel virus.

There’s so much back seat driving and pretence of knowledge after the fact. As I’ve said before, some has been shown by links on here and always ignored as if it makes no difference.

“to take an experimental new drug treatment, regardless of safety or efficacy, are inherently immoral and legally unjustified. Period.”
“experimental new drug treatment”
Define you terms.
“experimental”

“regardless of safety or efficacy, are inherently immoral and legally unjustified. Period.””
If it’s safe and efficacious what’s your problem?
…and largely unjustified?
If the drug is safe and efficacious, that’s the first objection already answered.
Mandates are another argument.

You are clearly not paying attention. Again, the issue of mandates and coercion has f-all to do with whether they are actually “safe” or “effective” (they are not, but even IF they were for argument’s sake, mandates and coercion would be wrong; worse than wrong – downright evil).

But, you want an example of how to define “safe” or “unsafe,” without resorting silly comparisons like “Well, is Aspirin safe?” (May as well ask if my shirt is safe! Well, I could hang myself from a ceiling beam with it, so I dunno…maybe we should ban shirts!…for my safety, of course…). Anything at all can be “unsafe” or dangerous used improperly, in the wrong dosage, on the wrong person, etc., so let’s not be ridiculous. These jabs are very new, very experimental, and are demonstrably unsafe even at their recommended dosage, user demographic, etc.: There have been more deaths attributed to these Covid vaxes than to all other vaxes combined since VAERS began over 30 years ago (despite an active campaign to suppress adverse event reporting as well). There have been previous drugs, including vaccines, pulled from the market with a small fraction of the adverse event reports and deaths attributed to these jabs. So, yeah, that’s how I define “unsafe.” And keep in mind, VAERS itself only captures a small amount of all actual adverse events (less than 10% – perhaps as little as 1% – so take the numbers in VAERS and multiply them by at least 10 – probably much more – to begin to approximate real adverse event and death numbers).

P.S. Hating on Gates is always relevant. Evil incarnate. And one of the chief masterminds behind the whole Plandemic agenda.

“What is complex and treated in a facile way, is the management of a novel virus.”

It’s neither novel nor particularly complex. Only the government and media response to it has been “novel.”

(starting at the bottom, which I often do)

” Hating on Gates is always relevant. Evil incarnate. And one of the chief masterminds behind the whole Plandemic agenda.”
Not really, if you want the point to be taken seriously.
Being English puts me at odds with the man before he ever became involved with vaccination.
He’s not relevant though. Only in a conspiracy theory does he need to come into the conversation.

“If it’s safe and efficacious what’s your problem?
…and largely unjustified?”

I said LEGALLY unjustified, not “largely.”

And I’ve explained numerous times why mandates and coercion are unjustified and immoral, complete violations of human rights (especially when it has been clearly demonstrated that Pfizer – at least, but probably all of the Big Phama companies – is HIDING ingredients!; “Redacted Ingredient” listed on their own formula disclosures!, which itself nullifies “informed consent”) – even IF these experimental new jabs were truly “safe” and “efficacious”.

Tired of talking to a brick wall – going to dinner.

“Hating on Gates is always relevant. Evil incarnate. And one of the chief masterminds behind the whole Plandemic agenda.”
Not really, if you want the point to be taken seriously.”

Sarcasm challenged, I see.

BTW, just realized I see nothing above in this thread that even mentioned Gates until you just did at 4:56 PM anyway! What are you on about?

“It’s neither novel nor particularly complex. Only the government and media response to it has been “novel.”
define “novel”
define complex?
Of course it is complex. That you think it isn’t reveals one more of your misconceptions.
It was Novel when it first appeared in the population in 2019. Nobody’s claiming anything else, that I know of, perhaps you’ve got yet another take on that.

I wait to hear something from those so up in arms about this and it never happens. I’t like watching a ghost hunter programme or an alien abduction documentary .

The only justifiable argument is that about mandating medical input at a level which means that really is a mandate and not someone’s idea of a mandate.

Bill Gates? You mean you didn’t? Someone did, I caught his name up above somewhere. He’s always coming up.
No sarcasm required if you really do want to make progress. That’s the point.

If it’s safe and efficacious what’s your problem?

I said LEGALLY unjustified, not “largely.”
So? Legally? Is it ‘safe’ and ‘effective’?

Mandates aren’t the point, or at the very least, you lose your main thrust if you’re going to claim they are unsafe and killing people in large numbers.
As I’ve been saying from the beginning, argue about your freedom, not about what is just not so.

Of course there are people who think blood transfusions aren’t safe or moral! There are scientologists who argue against all kinds of medicines, particularly those treating, neurological or phsychological problems.

‘And I’ve explained numerous times why mandates and coercion are unjustified”
Superfluously so, too. Like I’ve answered, many times. It’s the way I know you’re not reading. Perhaps you’re a good skim reader.

It is spoiled and made all the weaker by those arguing about poison jabs and killer jabs, death lethal injections and so on. Directed straight AT people who have taken the injection. Those are untruthful remarks.

You are clearly not paying attention. Again, the issue of mandates and coercion has f-all to do with whether they are actually “safe” or “effective”You are clearly not paying attention. Again, the issue of mandates and coercion has f-all to do with whether they are actually “safe” or “effective”

See the comment:
October 25th 4:08pm *responding to the mass suicide cult remarks of Johnny and Philemon, to which you added your point.

I said:
“Vaccines are not deadly, as you both depict….
Nobody except those in the internet, seem to think arguing safety is a route to changing minds over the vaccine mandates by placing doubt over the medicine

So I am the one confused?

Not only is this demonstrably untrue, but even IF it were true, it would not justify mandates and the burgeoning
That is the reason I broke the above sentence down. To point out that the issue of safety is being skipped over as if it’s just a given. It is untrue to say that it is demonstrably unsafe.

Yet even that, is not conceded. Which is the shame, because the argument about mandates would be eminently winnable. The point is that the argument is weakened to the extent where it is dismissed.
So if it matters so much? Isn’t just online sport? why not simply speak about the mandate alone?

The above post went wrong from the beginning because the premises were taken to be true.
The lady is not out of options, She’s being encouraged to think that is the case.

“Mandates aren’t the point…”

Mandates, coercion, and socio-economic Vax Apartheid are the ONLY things that matter at this point (I don’t give a damn about Covid itself any more, or whether others want to go get jabbed and freely accept the consequences for themselves and their future health; they won’t be able to say they weren’t warned). And, if you need reminding, mandates – not alleged vax efficacy or safety – were in fact the main subject of this thread in the first place (headline: “Heartless Experts, Tearless Tyrants, & Vexatious Vaccine Mandates”)

“Of course it is complex. That you think it isn’t reveals one more of your misconceptions. It was Novel when it first appeared in the population in 2019”

SARS-CoV-2 is as “novel” as if I started calling myself Dennis-2. “Novel Coronavirus,” repeated like a mantra early on, was just another part of the marketing campaign to propagandize the public. I can’t, though, wait for the “super-novel” SARS-CoV-3 to drop soon!

“Mandates aren’t the point…”
Mandates, coercion, and socio-economic Vax Apartheid are the ONLY things that matter at this point (I don’t give a damn about Covid itself any more, or whether others want to go get jabbed and freely accept the consequences for themselves and their future health;
That’s the right approach. Let them be.
they won’t be able to say they weren’t warned). And, if you need reminding, mandates – not alleged vax efficacy or safety – were in fact the main subject of this thread in the first place (headline: “Heartless Experts, Tearless Tyrants, & Vexatious Vaccine Mandates”)
I appreciate your honesty there (no sarcasm) in not trying to defend claims of lack of safety. There’s a lot of dread and suspicion on part of some skeptics but it doens’t amount to much. It’s their choice, as you say. YOU warned them.
—-
Dennis if you believe nothing else you need to believe me that the human immune system IS complex beyond full comprehension. That’s just one person. Multiply that by all the billions of variables and on and on. That’s before you get to people deliberately or otherwise muddying the information pools
—-
SARS-CoV-2 is as “novel” as if I started calling myself Dennis-2. “Novel Coronavirus,” repeated like a mantra early on, was just another…

Wendy Barclay describes exactly the difference in a very simple straight forward video. Twelve letters that changed the world”. A paper by a man who’s name was cute but can’t remember, sorry. Will find the link again just because…

It is novel as it was new to the human immune system.
You’re splitting hairs by worrying about “novel”. I understand you’re referencing its origin and I don’t dispute there’s been, it seems, some wrong doing there.

There are good and bad actor in all of this though.
Just as when someone sets fire to a forrest, there’s some people there to putt out. You do seem, at times, to think anybody who has cause to be concerned directly with the response is “in it’.

The other thing which appears to drive you wild is the word “cases”
I know CNN and the ilk use it to follow up with something alarming.
However be in no doubt that the numbers here are showing that for months now the +ive tests in their high numbers have not corresponded with the expected exponential rise *in the colloquial sense of the maths term. That we saw in each and every other wave of the outbreak in this county.
So infections are far higher than they were when we had an “on the edge”NHS with ten times normal capacity in the health service.
It’s been a victory and standing everything down is more of a politicltprocess than anything else.
Our NHS is another story, always in a pickle.
I think you ought to have the last word!

Here it is 2 mis 50
the author wasn’t mentioned, just the magazine where the article appeared describing the change of the virus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0KS1L-jOdo

It’s old but the explanations still stand

Dennis: It does look strange that SARS-CoV-2 disproportionately affects the old with co-morbidities as well as anyone with a D3 deficiency because of obesity, Type II Diabetes (usually due to diet and following the USDA food pyramid or food stamps), or people of color who generally are D3 deficient overall.

Get the word out there!

“I appreciate your honesty there (no sarcasm) in not trying to defend claims of lack of safety.”

You attempt to make it sound as if I’ve conceded something. Not the case. I am simply focusing here on the primary issues at hand in this particular thread (vax mandates and coercion). I am not going to rehash for the nth time all the copious evidence available at this site and elsewhere regarding their lack of safety and efficacy. I only stayed above that even IF, for the sake of argument, they were actually safe and effective, vax mandates and coercion and would still be wrong. And the vaxes should also still be withdrawn – despite the fact that at the end of the day people have only themselves to blame for going along with it and falling for the propaganda – not only because of massive evidence of vax failure and lack of safety and efficacy, but also because, as explained a couple days ago, the mere fact that Pfizer lists a mystery “Redacted Ingredient” on its formula sheet negates “full informed consent” for ANYONE, is therefore a crime against humanity, and is alone grounds for immediate withdrawal. And not only Pfizer’s, but all Covid vaxes should be withdrawn pending complete and independent investigation into exact contents (not to mention the other pesky details that are grounds for withdrawal, such as a level of adverse events and deaths that is far in excess of those that have seen other drugs withdrawn from market).

Philemon: Dayum…‘rona is rayciss AND ageiss! Hmmm…People’s Temple in Jonestown, which you mentioned yesterday, was 70% black as well…sensing a pattern…except this time, judging from lack of black vax uptake, they DON’T want to drink the Kool-Aid….hmmm, wat mean?

“A paper by a man who’s name was cute but can’t remember, sorry.”

Probably Her Majesty’s CMO, Chris Whittless, sending thrills up the leg again.

“You attempt to make it sound as if I’ve conceded something. ”
Wrong, but don’t let that get in your way.
I think you’re going to have to simply read the discussion over to see what’s really happening.
You are obsessed with the storyline of conspiracy.
Even when ;corrected about what, in this case, [i] think about something or someone, you still know better, apparently. That is pure arrogance and ever so slightly irrational. Not only are you trying to argue your own views and your own version of events but you also know what I think and how I feel? Strange, very odd.

HMV is fully stocked and isn’t closing down, for your information:
However, I suspect you know better about that, too! Despite my having physically been in the place, in the last couple of days. They don’t sell audio books …

“‘You attempt to make it sound as if I’ve conceded something.’ Wrong, but don’t let that get in your way.”

That was clearly the gist of the line I quoted – implying I was no longer “trying to defend claims of lack of safety,” according to your spin on what I said above. You’re being ridiculous, especially your added claim to have “corrected” me. You are the one who continually refuses to understand that this thread was never even about vax efficacy or safety (both abysmal, though the vax fanatics won’t give up and admit it) in first place anyway, but about mandates, which you continually dismiss as unimportant, when they are in fact all that matters now.

What that bizarre tangential rant about HMV has to do with anything escapes me, but also par for the course these days.

Dennis: “Dayum…‘rona is rayciss AND ageiss! Hmmm…People’s Temple in Jonestown, which you mentioned yesterday, was 70% black as well…sensing a pattern…except this time, judging from lack of black vax uptake, they DON’T want to drink the Kool-Aid….hmmm, wat mean?”

Well, ‘rona is apparently “weightest” as well. Wait, is that a thing?

Actually, I think Blacks and Hispanics are exhibiting a lot of good common sense. Just wish more of them were aware of how completely corrupt the dietary advice is and got sufficient D3, as well as cutting out sugar, and doing the whole Low-Carb- Hi-Fat/Protein thing.

Joy
October 28, 2021 at 9:36 pm

They don’t sell audio books …

So no Narnia, yet?