Rare Week Of Good News, And Some Bad — Coronavirus Update XCIV

That’s fine Dennis; no worries about the typos I get your points and agree.

I haven’t been paying too much attention on the vexxines but every once in a while I will read or hear a story about the negative effects of the vexxines from Gab or Bitchute or Rumble ( I hardly go to youtube anymore because they don’t allow real news anymore and besides that, the platform is practically a boring ghost-town because of the illiberal censorship policies). I will hear stories such as someone dying due the vexxine, or a person suffering a lot of pain due to it or even people going to the hospital for covid even after being fully vexxinated.

Yeah, we’re being lied to alright. Too many sources saying otherwise about the safety of the vexxines. I think the last time I saw Tucker Carlson cover the vexxine, (and I don’t listen to Carlson often) which was last April, he said about, if I remember correctly, 4000 people died either in association with or due to the vexxines. And that was just last April and he was siting a federal source. And I can only imagine there’s more deaths and hospitalizations by now. Why isn’t this being investigated?

And of course there’s no compensation if you get negative side effects, injured or even die due to the vexxine or what could be partly due to the vexxine. So why take it in the first place? Maybe 10 years from now, we’ll see the tv commercials advertise for compensation for covid vexxines like they’re doing for various old pharma products that have been long taken out of the market.

He was probably citing VAERS. It’s currently at 6,181 for deaths reported from COVID vaccines, which is interesting since that number was previously over 7,000. In fact this page on the CDC currently lists a count of 7,899:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Archived versions since that number is definitely going to change, one way or the other:

https://archive.is/c1yt9

Vaccine supporters will say that the drop in VAERS is due to many of the initial reports being confirmed to not be related to the vaccines, and thus removed. Skeptics will be more wary of the drop. (I will note that even with the smaller number COVID vaccine deaths still account for 83.35% of vaccine deaths ever recorded to VAERS; with the larger total listed on the CDC page they would account for 86.48% of the deaths. There have only been about 1,200 deaths reported, ever, from vaccines if you discount the COVID vaccines.)

It’s not looking good for the vexxinated in the UK:

https://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2021/09/all-cause-mortality-rates-in-england.html

Bobcat: “Maybe 10 years from now, we’ll see the tv commercials advertise for compensation for covid vexxines like they’re doing for various old pharma products that have been long taken out of the market.” I’ve heard that it’ll be a lot less than 10 years in the US.

Already there are reports of vexxined turning against vexxines because of family tragedies. It’s only going to get worse during cold/flu season for those who damaged their immune system. And all the adverse events are still piling up.

Pfizer lied; people died.

Thanks Rudolph. I’ll look at those updated sites.

Philemon – I hope you’re right.

Johnno: FYI, animal studies didn’t go well.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40259-021-00495-6?error=cookies_not_supported&code=eda5c5f2-d3e7-4257-a7a9-ca426eb56930

Bobcat: “Philemon – I hope you’re right.”

I have not seen one iota of evidence that the Trial Lawyers have been paid off.

But why wait on them?

“They” (we all know who “they” are, right?) are all geared up to inject this vexxine into children now, five year olds… Despite the horrendous myocarditis results in 12-17 year olds. Who were at no risk from the virus. Yeah, half of the myocarditis cases have a very poor prognosis, as in they’re going to die within five years.

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243672

I deal in probabilities, and the most probable account of what’s been happening is that an engineered virus was deliberately released to create a public health crisis to initiate a bio-security regime.

The people behind the virus are also the people promoting dangerous, but very profitable treatments, while they suppress affordable and effective cures. This is a crime against humanity on the widest scale.

This is the most probable scenario.

The bio-security agenda isn’t speculative. Rather, it’s well documented in literature produced by international agencies and foundations over many decades on the type of controls they consider necessary to manage societies, including managing peoples’ lifestyles, reproduction and lifespans. We can comply or we can refuse to comply. It’s our choice.

You’re dead right Philemon. I’ve been saying since as early as May 2020 that we were witnessing the unfolding of the greatest collective crime against humanity ever. It’s still going over 18 months later, and I don’t think we’ve seen the worst yet.

P.S. Perhaps too early to conjecture, but I’m seeing reports that the TN Kroger shooter was an employee who’d been fired earlier this morning. Who wants to bet it was over something Covid-related – muzzle and/or vax requirement or incessant testing, etc – and it will be used by the Feds and their corporate minions to further crack-down on dissent (both on and offline) and push the forced-vax, health passport, and nascent general bio-security and CCP- style Social Credit regime even harder? I’m sure they’re readying evidence now that he frequented “dangerous” sites spreading “vaccine misinformation,” that warped his mind, etc. Or we’ll find out he’s been on the Fed radar for a while, but they did nothing to stop him, and perhaps even used “informants” to help provoke and radicalize him.

Dennis: My guess is that they are pushing vexxines so hard because cold/flu season is coming. Major fail on vexxines.

The TN Kroger shooter is neither here nor there if people don’t buy it.

Honestly, Dennis, don’t give them ideas!

Things you can legally do:

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243672

Looks like we have some movement.

Rep. Paul Gozar has sent a letter to the US Department of Health and Human Services demanding a “full review of all HHS health care systems nationally to ensure full compliance with vaccine injury reporting laws including reporting all adverse events occurring after the administration of the COVID-19 vaccine,” following the release of this week’s Project Veritas undercover recordings.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/fda-official-busted-joking-about-blow-dart-forced-vaccinations-jewish-star-registry-mark

NY medical staff should call her bluff.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/new-yorks-new-gov-threatens-replace-unvaccinated-hospital-workers-foreigners

Dennis,

Ah yes, “Friendly Atheist,” another source of objective information.

The post is mostly a series of screenshots taken from the Pastor’s Facebook account. What’s not objective about that?

What underlying conditions did this 70 year old have?

If he had underlying health conditions, that should have been all the more reason to get vaccinated.

Did the docs try any of the safe and effective Ivermectin or HCQ treatment protocols?

Studies on Ivermectin and HCQ are either inconclusive or negative:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34318930/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33031488/

or was he just left to languish, perhaps intubated, while docs claimed “it’s just too late, nothing we can do, no known treatments (or none our MBA admin overlords who now control the practice of medicine will allow us to give) other than experimental mRNA jabs and intubation?”

Yeah, obviously the doctors just let him die. /sarc

We’re not told any of this, because that might complicate the simplistic gloating of “Friendly Atheist.” GTFO.

The article doesn’t gloat. It’s trying to warn people not to believe the lies spread by the likes of you, which are killing people.

Johnno,

How many do you think are registered atheists?

There’s no such thing as a registered atheist. And the vaccines are safe.

Rudolph Harrier,

“Local atheist, who spent his life downplaying the dangers of sin, now burns in eternal hellfire.”

Loving God creates place of eternal torture! Film at 11! Also, COVID-19 is real but Hell isn’t.

Johnno,

Don’t forget Remdesivir.

Remdesivir is approved by the FDA, so it might have been used.

philemon,

Lots of agnostics/atheists are anti-vexxine.

90% of atheist respondents said that they will “definitely” or “probably” seek the shot, or have already received their first vaccine dose. Meanwhile, an average of 77% of Catholics will go in for the jab, and only 62% of Protestant participants. By contrast, nearly half — 45% — of white evangelicals say they “definitely” or “probably will not” seek the coronavirus vaccine, regardless of the manufacturer. [New York Post]

Johnno,

Something tells me SwordFail can’t answer.

Can’t answer what?

“Studies on Ivermectin and HCQ are either inconclusive or negative:”

No, they are not. But keep repeating regime propaganda.

This is what I hear when I see Swordfish now: Wammmp…wammmp…wwaawwwaa…waammp…waammppp (Kinda like that sound you hear on the other end of the telephone in Charlie Brown).

“Yeah, obviously the doctors just let him die. /sarc”

You really haven’t been keeping up with the state of things in hospitals and the practice of medicine these days, have you?

The post is mostly a series of screenshots taken from the Pastor’s Facebook account. What’s not objective about that?

Objective in terms of the circumstances that led to his demise. In other words there is neither proof that THE COVID ™ killed him, nor that a vexxine would’ve helped him. The Pastor’s views are looking very good right now considering the documented vexxine failures.

If he had underlying health conditions, that should have been all the more reason to get vaccinated.

That depends. Underlying conditions are also routinely a reason NOT to take any vaccinations due to complications where even acceptable vaccines could take a toll on one’s already vulnerable immune system just as much. Hence the phrase:”Talk to your doctor” before making any decisions.

Studies on Ivermectin and HCQ are either inconclusive or negative

This is FALSE. I’d link you to hundreds of findings but you’re not going to read them, just like you didn’t check your own links to determine whether the studies you linked are known to be deliberately botched by applying the treatment only to late stage and terminal patients where they were designed to fail amd faulty data from a retracted Lancet study. Several countries like India and Japan have dumped vexxine strategies in favor of Ivermectin because unlike Western bureaucrats medicine is not politicized there and they are not under the thumb of pharmacorp lobbyists. This line of propaganda is now so thoroughly debunked that your attempt to claim otherwise demonstrates either complete and total obliviousness on your part, or outright deliberate lying. You tell us, because we know you are familiar with what we’ve said to you before, and you aren’t going to slip away with the hilarious excuse that your posts are for other hypothetical new readers of Brigg’s blog and comments that you are hypothetically one-sidedly talking to.

Yeah, obviously the doctors just let him die.

Yes! They actually could have! Just read the protocols for “treatment” aka “We can’t do anything against THE COVID ™, do nothing, just let him die comfortably.” This is necessary, you see. Because if they could do something then there is no more need for Emergency Authorization for untested deadly mRNA shots! So which is it Trumpboner? Doctors themselves are raising the alarm and lawsuits have been filed because staff are ordered by protocol to literally sit back and watch people die so that Pfizer and Moderna can get rich!

  It’s trying to warn people not to believe the lies spread by the likes of you, which are killing people.

O’RLY? Why don’t you send your little story to these people and see what they think of your warning?
 https://mobile.twitter.com/ImStaceyKate/status/1440899764728467462

There’s no such thing as a registered atheist. And the vaccines are safe.

I know that lefties have trouble with jokes and sarcasm, but I also have to ask now… is the last thing you said a joke? Or are you a true religious believer? You know, the sort who believes things without evidence? Irrationally? The worst sort of religious? The one who believes the television people and marketing campaigns?

COVID-19 is real but Hell isn’t.

Disbelief in Hell is what leads people to create Covid-19 illegally in labs and then go “Oops!” and then wait 6 months before telling anybody, and then after the virus has done its damage and it’s safe, to start locking people up and demanding they buy your patented “cures” under duress. Hey, if Hell doesn’t exist Dumbbone, then why are you soooo upset at other people telling lies? What are the consequences?

Can’t answer what?

See above. Once again many swings and all misses from a fishnotasword.

A certain Trombone can’t help but remind me as well of this episode at the end of Dante’s Inferno 21, where Barbariccia signals back to his squad of fellow devils with his “cul fatto trombetta”:

“Off they set along the left-hand bank,
but first each pressed his tongue between his teeth
to blow a signal to their leader,
and he had made a trumpet of his asshole.” (Inferno 21: 136-139; Hollander trans.)

Don’t be so harsh on Mr. trombone, the vaccine is a sacrament of his religion, just as old or out of context links to journals are his holy texts.

Another study, this time from Spain, documenting effective treatment:

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243683

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7833340/#!po=34.9057

Oh yeh, and there’s that nit-wit Swordfishtrombone, of course, going with the lamestream mockingbird media slant on everything. He almost always has to have the last word on everything.

Quite honestly, reading that “friendly atheist” blog reminded me of reading one of those lame Jack Chick comics on religion. Only instead about how Bill or Mill went to hell because they didn’t subscribe to the perceived, correct religion; it’s about how so and so apparently died because he didn’t get the jab (possibly leaving out other details that might be relevant to that person’s death as others have pointed out here).

People should be left to make their own medical choices; no one should be forced, nor “mandated” to take a vexxine particularly one that can have negative side effects and even death.

“Don’t be so harsh on Mr. trombone, the vaccine is a sacrament of his religion, just as old or out of context links to journals are his holy texts.” Yeah I see your point alright Rudolph

swordfishtrombone: “90% of atheist respondents said that they will ‘definitely’ or ‘probably’ seek the shot, or have already received their first vaccine dose. Meanwhile, an average of 77% of Catholics will go in for the jab, and only 62% of Protestant participants. By contrast, nearly half — 45% — of white evangelicals say they ‘definitely’ or ‘probably will not’ seek the coronavirus vaccine, regardless of the manufacturer. [New York Post]”

But what about the agnostics?

73.4% of people like swordfishtrombone who belief opinion polls are accurate, also believe everything they read in the The New York Post.

swordfishtrombone: “Remdesivir is approved by the FDA, so it might have been used.” No, it’s an EUA, so not approved, and the EUA only applies to its use for Covid “cases” Of course, it is one of Fauci’s pet drugs, like AZT. How’s that dialysis working out for you?

Bobcat: “…no one should be forced, nor ‘mandated’ to take a vexxine particularly one that can have negative side effects and even death.” Personally, I am of the opinion that the vexxines should have been recalled long ago, and no one should be allowed to take any of them at this point.

Also, for a correction to a copy/paste inaccuracy with couple of edits of my own (because the greater/less than signs are confused):

https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2021/09/03/w-o-o-d-3-september-2021/#comment-151089

“Yup, found the missing bit under 3.4 and added it… It looks like he left out the #2 stuff and had the #3 there.

“So what did these few nursing homes do that nobody has done since and nobody reported out at the time?
1. Early start of treatment, regardless of the severity of patient symptoms.
– Antihistamines every 12 h: dexchlorpheniramine 2 mg, cetirizine 10 mg or loratadine 10 mg.
– Azithromycin 500 mg orally every 24 h for 3 days if there is rapid improvement, and for 6 days if the duration of symptoms is prolonged.
– If pain or fever, acetaminophen 650 mg/6–8 h.
– Nasal washing and gargling with sodium bicarbonate water (half a glass of warm water with half a teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate).
2. Patients with mild or recent-onset symptoms (cough, fever, general malaise, anosmia, polymyalgia):
– Antihistamines every 12 h: dexchlorpheniramine 2 mg, cetirizine 10 mg or loratadine 10 mg.
– Azithromycin 500 mg orally every 24 h for 3 days if there is rapid improvement, and for 6 days if the duration of symptoms is prolonged.
– If pain or fever, acetaminophen 650 mg/6–8 h.
– Nasal washing and gargling with sodium bicarbonate water (half a glass of warm water with half a teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate).
3. If symptoms of severity (dyspnea, breathing difficulty, mild or moderate chest pain, with SpO2… [] 100 beats per minute at any time of the process):
– Antihistamines + Azithromycin (see mild treatment management)
– Levofloxacin 500 mg/12 h, up to 14 days of antibiotic treatment from diagnosis.
– Mepifilin solution, 50 mg/8 h as a bronchodilator, until subjective improvement. Patients with previous lung disease (asthma or COPD) used their usual bronchodilators.
– If the patient experienced increased breathing difficulty, prednisone 1 mg/kg/day divided into two doses until clinical improvement, and then it was slowly tapered down.
4. Prophylactic treatment for close contacts, including all asymptomatic residents:
– Antihistamines at the same dose as symptomatic patients.”

Successful treatment. EUA obviously wrong.

Rats! Item 3 should read: “SpO2 less than 80%, heart rate greater than 100 beats per minute.” Was trying to use brackets in the approved academic fashion and they failed me!

“Personally, I am of the opinion that the vexxines should have been recalled long ago, and no one should be allowed to take any of them at this point.”

Indeed, plenty of drugs (including vaccines) have been pulled in the past with far fewer (and less severe) adverse reactions or deaths than these Covid jabs (ex. the swine flu jabs in the ‘70s). As vaccine failure evidence mounts worldwide indicating that these jabs prevent neither infection nor transmission (and may actually increase viral load, making contagiousness and case severity worse), and adverse reaction and death reports climb as well, it is clear they are totally unfit for purpose and should have been pulled months ago (actually never should have been approved, even under EUA, to begin with).

But the Regime (a term I prefer to Yarvin’s Cathedral, which he defines as “journalism plus academia,” which “rewards conformity with dominant thought.” Think of the Regime as “Cathedral plus politicians plus Deep State”) has made an idol of these jabs, and it seems no amount of evidence will move the Regime from its slavish devotion to them at this point. Because actual health, safety, and efficacy are not the point of the jabs; they are merely a means (as is Covid itself) to other Regime ends.

A bit off topic, but I did stumble across an incredible research project very well establishing how children should NOT be vaccinated for covid, and I noticed one member of the research team is Michael Briggs. Any relation?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221475002100161X#!

philemon,

73.4% of people like swordfishtrombone who belief opinion polls are accurate, also believe everything they read in the The New York Post.

I cited that poll (carried out by Pew) because I thought you might find it interesting (as it doesn’t necessarily refute your claim), but apparently I was wrong. Maybe I should have cited a blog written by a tinfoil-hat conspiracy theorist instead?

No, it’s an EUA, so not approved, and the EUA only applies to its use for Covid “cases” Of course, it is one of Fauci’s pet drugs, like AZT.

It’s approved by the FDA for use against COVID-19, unlike the other drugs mentioned. That was my point. You are one of those people who insists on disagreeing with everything I say, just because *I* said it.

As for Fauchi, he was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian honour available in the USA. What have you got?

Rudolph The Red-Nosed Reindeer,

Don’t be so harsh on Mr. trombone, the vaccine is a sacrament of his religion, just as old or out of context links to journals are his holy texts.

The links are from January and July 2021, and I linked to meta-studies because they look at the results of many previous studies to give an overall picture, which is not in any way “out of context”. Regarding vaccines being “part of my religion” – that is just stupid. If the evidence was against the vaccines, I wouldn’t be in favour of them. But it isn’t. So I am.

Norway seems to have had enough, signals an end to covid-hoax regulations.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/covid-19-norway-can-now-be-compared-flu-says-health-chief

UK is also tired, but there is also this little mini bomb of a doozy!

“So the pressure on the NHS is largely abated. If you look at the deaths from COVID, they tend to be very elderly people, and it’s not entirely clear it was COVID that caused all those deaths.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/uk-scientists-warn-covid-will-likely-resemble-common-cold-next-spring

So there you go folks, covid is now just the flu and just the cold. Time to start rewriting all the fact-chicks!

More good news!

“The city did not put on any evidence, at all, at the injunction hearing,” Brasington wrote in a 7-page ruling.

“Without any evidence, the court is unable to consider whether the vaccine mandate serves a compelling interest through the least restrictive means, whether the vaccine mandate meets a strict scrutiny test, a rational basis test, or whether it meets any other standard,” she added.

THE SCIENCE ™ can’t prove anything! Oh no…. but what about all those fat-czechs???

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/florida-judge-halts-citys-covid-19-vaccine-mandate

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

‘The View’ Sent Into Chaos After Two Hosts Test Positive For COVID Mid-Show; Kamala Interview Upended

Friday’s episode of The View was a complete meltdown, after two hosts tested positive for Covid-19 mid-show, forcing producers to change Vice President Kamala Harris’ planned in-person visit into a virtual interview.

After the first commercial break, hosts Sunny Hostin and Ana Navarro were asked to leave their seats – with co-host Joy Behar telling the audience that an explanation would be forthcoming. When Behar asked a producer if she could introduce the vice president, a producer instead sent the show into another break, according to People.

Following the break, Behar announced that the fully vaccinated Hostin and Navarro had both tested positive for Covid-19.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/view-sent-chaos-after-two-hosts-test-positive-covid-mid-show-kamala-interview-upended

If the evidence was against the vaccines, I wouldn’t be in favour of them. But it isn’t. So I am.

^^^^^^BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!^^^^^^

The fun thing about Mr. trombone is how transparently dim he is. He consistently returns to a posture of being reasonable and going wherever the evidence leads, but when asked to justify anything he will just post whatever the first link he has available and demand that everyone else submit to its conclusions (or sometimes not even the conclusions of the paper, but the conclusions he thinks it has but doesn’t.) If challenged to explain or justify the findings of the paper he will not, because he will admit that he is not qualified to do so. If presented with evidence for alternative conclusions he will dismiss it as “not from reputable sources,” again without explanation. It’s so transparent that he hasn’t even tried to do anything beyond repeating conclusions he has been told, but he still tries to keep up the pretense of being a little expert himself.

As if anything more was necessary to show his dimwittedness: it took him this long to make a reindeer related insult based on my name.

Rudolph Harrier: “As if anything more was necessary to show his dimwittedness: it took him this long to make a reindeer related insult based on my name.”

It’s not a very good insult either. Rudoph the Red-Nosed Reindeer was a hero!

swordfishtrombone: “It’s approved by the FDA for use against COVID-19, unlike the other drugs mentioned.” My point is that it did not have prior FDA approval through the usual channels, unlike the other drugs mentioned, and also has an appalling safety record with respect to kidney/renal system damage. It’s also expensive. Contrary to your claim, it was only granted an EUA, specifically for use in Covid cases, while other, fully FDA-approved, long-standing, much safer and cheaper antiviral drugs were excluded from the protocol for treating Covid. For some reason…

Now, I know it hurts your head to think, but why would that be? Fauci has financial ties to Gilead and Remdesivir. He has a financial interest, just like he had with AZT. Did he care about 30,000 dead gay guys? No. What makes you think he cares about Covid cases dying due to kidney failure from Remdesivir?

swordfishtrombone: “As for Fauchi, he was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian honour available in the USA. What have you got?” Common sense, human decency, a conscience, and no blood on my hands. And I wouldn’t trade that for any medal.

I’ve also worked in medical research with clinical cancer trials back when they had standards (and real biostatisticians, who were using Bayesian thresholds), which helps in detecting seriously defective clinical trials.

“You are one of those people who insists on disagreeing with everything I say, just because *I* said it.” No, but it’s looking like a good rule of thumb. 😉 Honestly, a Pew poll? Have you ever looked at the questions and answers and how they’re tabulated and how biased they are to their preconceived outcomes? Probably not. From what you’ve written, you don’t have much life experience. Well, hopefully, you’ll learn.

Admittedly, I don’t have a list handy of presidential medal of freedom recipients, but I do take the general view that an award for pleasing politicians isn’t something to brag about. I’m more impressed by people who have turned down the presidential medal of freedom or other public honors.

I missed the part where the tootfish seriously argued that Fauci received a medal???

Where’s that meme of that decorated general who did nothing versus one who actually did?

Might as well give Fauci an Oscar at this point! I mean, Cuomo already won an Emmy for that performance art! And Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize as soon as he took office and hadn’t even done anything! We all know how that turned out!

Here’s a fun fact-check! But did we really need it? I mean… really, Snopes?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/north-korean-medals-photo/

Well, maybe dumbfish will read that link and come away sufficiently impressed!

There was a story in the local news about a hospital in town having the highest day ever in urgent care attendance. This was blamed on rampant COVID cases. But “cases” are roughly where they were in the last peak and nowhere near where they were last winter.

Towards the end of the article it mentions that the hospital is running out of rapid tests, and that they are strongly recommending that patients who want a test but have no or mild symptoms then they should go to a local testing center instead. This would strongly suggest that the increase in demand is just for tests, not from actual sick people, and thus was caused by “vaccinate or agree to regular testing” mandates.

“ recommending that patients who want a test but have no or mild symptoms then they should go to a local testing center instead. This would strongly suggest that the increase in demand is just for tests, not from actual sick people, and thus was caused by “vaccinate or agree to regular testing” mandates.”

Yep. Absolutely nuts to constantly test people for a virus with a 99.98% survival rate when they have “no symptoms.” F this insane world.

Shingles due to vexxine. Clinic staff are seeing it, and ascribing it to the vexxine. The vexxine reduces immune response to prior illness, including cancers. Apparently suppressing T-Cell activity. Not good.

Ivermectin and antihistamines are looking better.

I’ve said this elsewhere, but I’ll say it again.

You do not want shingles. I’ve had both shingles and COVID-19, and shingles was easily twenty times worse. I was lucky enough not to have permanent damage from it, but it still took me three miserable weeks to fully recover from the main part, and another three months for the itching to go away. In contrast I was done with COVID-19 in three days.

The vaccines do absolutely have a risk for shingles. There are more shingles cases in VAERS from COVID-19 vaccines than any other vaccine other than shingles vaccines.

You will notice that articles that try to say there is no connection will say that it is impossible for the vaccine to cause shingles since it does not contain the varicella zoster virus. But the fact is that shingles occurs in people who have already been infected by varicella zoster (the first time as the chicken pox.) The virus is never destroyed completely from your system, but your immune system normally keeps it in check. While shingles isn’t completely understood, in most cases it recurs because the immune system is weakened or compromised in some way, allowing the virus to resurge. So it really doesn’t matter if the COVID vaccines contain the actual virus; you almost certainly already have it in your body and if they mess with your immune system it could give you shingles.

A really good example of this sort of explaining away is in this article:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines-don-t-cause-shingles-but-may-lead-to-flare-ups-experts-say-1.5516488

In particular, consider this quote:

“While some are suggesting on social media that shingles may be a side effect of the COVID-19 vaccine, experts say there is no evidence to suggest that the vaccines cause shingles.

However, studies suggest COVID-19 infection or vaccination against the disease may “reactivate” the virus if a person already has had shingles or chickenpox.”

“Reactivation” of the varicella zoster virus is exactly what shingles is. If you have not been infected so the virus is just activating the first time, you get Chicken Pox, not shingles. Thus what this article is saying is that the vaccine can’t give you shingles, but it might give you shingles.

An amusing thing to do is to find a bunch of articles discussing whether COVID-19 can cause shingles. Suddenly the skepticism disappears, as does the strange distinction between shingles and “shingles flare-ups.” Some articles even suggest that if you get shingles now, it may be a sign that you had asymptotic COVID-19!

Rudolph Harrier: “Thus what this article is saying is that the vaccine can’t give you shingles, but it might give you shingles.” My, how those lying liars lie.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29424331/

Re shingles or any virus (previous post spell checker in com box changed to ‘visual’ to help the team to score points probably.)
Anyhow, shingles, like many viruses recur and this is often during times of stress or change of environment/ temperature, a move to a different climate, and on and on. It is not possible to say why recurring illnesses or painful recurrent physical injuries flare up, necessarily.

This is not controversial. Whatever anybody thinks about covid OR shingles.
It’s hardly surprising that asymptomatic infections did not manifest as covid (by definition) but that other symptoms recurred, such as an acute episode of ‘mechanical’ pain. There is literally nothing interesting to see in such a claim RE asymptomatic covid 19. Only someone grasping for controversy might think it so.
re Testing;
Superfluous testing only matters if it is done with ignorance of the individual ordering the test or if the test itself is substandard. That is true of any medical test, pretty much, you could mention.

The UK has done more tests than any other country excluding the US or India.
This has been expensive but not useless. Good tests and appropriately interpretation of results is always key in good diagnostics. Statistical commentators know this, if they’re listening to the clinicians or the scientists, or the critical thinkers.

“Good tests and appropriate interpretation of results is always key in good diagnostics.
Or
“Good tests and appropriately interpreted results are always key in good diagnostics. ”
So there!

Joy is now on the record as saying that the COVID-19 vaccine can cause you to develop shingles.

If you’ve had Chicken Pox, are you supposed to be immune to Shingles? That what I heard ages ago, and that it’s better to get the Pox as a kid than get Shingles as an adult, when it’s more painful, etc. I don’t know much about Shingles though.

I got screwed with Chicken Pox – had it over Spring Break when I would already have been off school anyway, so I never got my bonus week off for Chicken Pox like most kids 🙁

Nope Rudolph, you have a poor understanding of how the body actually works with regards the immune system.
Shingles is a recurring condition.
I expect you know this now.

Recurring diseases and conditions are almost always of causes which are complex and multifactorial.
You heard that here first, apparently.

Dennis,
There’s np guarantee as with any virus and inoculation. None are 100%. Same for chicken pox.
The human body never reads or keeps up with the scientific papers!

TB (big) doesn’t with certainty prevent TB but it does prevent meningitis as a result of TB.
Shingles can recur. See herpes zoster virus.
It infects very specific spinal nerve root, usually in the thorax, where the nerves only supply the patch of skin between the ribs by number, hence the classic pattern of blisters. It can occur elsewhere though, too.
Very painful can cause permanent neuropathic pain. So it likes very specific conditions, I always found that curious.

TB/ “BCG” not ‘big’
If you’ve had chicken pox you can also have it a second time!
Rare though.
Best catch it when you’re a youngster.
I recall at aged five being embarrassed by the school ‘nurse’ who wasn’t a nurse, when she “picked up my vest!” to shows my Mum,
“I don’t think there’s a lot of doubt do you?”
I was very indignant and still remember it clearly. How dare she, so inappropriate…

So my Pox-Ruined Spring Break of 1983 (It was tragic, I tells ya!) was all for naught, and I can still get Shingles? Oh, well…c’est la vie 🙁

“’Reactivation’ of the varicella zoster virus is exactly what shingles is. If you have not been infected so the virus is just activating the first time, you get Chicken Pox, not shingles. Thus what this article is saying is that the vaccine can’t give you shingles, but it might give you shingles.”

For many people, it seems that it will give you shingles. It is a well-known side effect of the vexxines by now. Why? Impaired immunity?

Oh, and shingles isn’t just painful, it can cause permanent nerve damage.

Herpes zoster is no more mysterious than other common viruses. Your google check reveals nothing we didn’t know.
What is mysterious is why it recurs and when it does so, what causes it.
I think a study of ’cause’ in its deepest sense with regards to biology and physiology might help you understand why you think things are so simple when in fact they’re not and vice versa.

It is Rudolph who said that “I” said “covid causes shingles”. Don’t get mixed up with all the miscomprehension, misconstruction and general lying and misquoting.

As for the progression of viral infection:
You can indeed have chicken pox as an adult where pox form all over the body, in the scalp, in the eyes…
Shingles infection is specifically an infection of a single nerve root and blisters form in a neat “geographical” area which is related to one single dermatome. It is painful because it causes firing of sensory nerve which supplies the same area of skin. Neuropathic pain is painful, by definition. It manifests as shooting pain and burning sensation.
It can and does recur. It can also cause prolonged neuropathic pain symptoms and complicate other mechanical and non mechanical painful complexes that happen to occur in a given individual.

Sorry Joy. Perhaps I misread you.

You had said that Shingles can be caused when the varicella zoster infection recurs due to stress on the immune system, and that even an asymptomatic case of COVID-19 could case shingles in this way.

Now, it could be that you somehow believe that COVID vaccines do not cause any stress on the immune system, despite health professionals assuring us that severe side effects are a way that “the vaccine is working.” But, charitably, I assumed that you had at least a little idea of how vaccines worked.

Similarly, it could be that you are logically incapable of seeing how the statements “if your immune system is stressed, then a previous varicella zoster infection can recur and give you shingles” and “the COVID-19 vaccines stress your immune system” together imply “the COVID-19 vaccines can cause you to develop shingles.” It is possible that you are incapable of understanding the most basic of logic.

I apologize for assuming that you were not completely ignorant and were able to do basic reasoning. If you prefer, I can start from the possibility that you are an ignorant dolt in future interactions.

Rudolph,
You are just plan wrong in those claims / assumptions about aims and attributions of medical input generally, as well as being wrong about my take on the matter.

The clear assertion that I say covid causes shingles infection, is simply ridiculous.
It reveals a deep level of sarcasm on your part or in fact a total inability to understand simple clinical matters, let alone comprehend what you read from an opponent on the internet

You had said that Shingles can be caused when the varicella zoster infection recurs due to stress on the immune system, and that even an asymptomatic case of COVID-19 could case shingles in this way.
I think if you use the word trigger or exacerbate, you might find less controversy, or ‘shock’ as I infer you seem to have done from your initial reading.
Obviously! shingles is an infection caused by a specific virus.
Now, it could be that you somehow believe that COVID vaccines do not cause any stress on the immune system, despite health professionals assuring us that severe side effects are a way that “the vaccine is working.” But, charitably, I assumed that you had at least a little idea of how vaccines worked.
That part appears to go off piste. ..
The first part there is a bad guess, followed by a loaded statement which says more about your own mindset than answers any questions of interest.

The last part really is a conclusion you draw based on your own lack of understanding of not just me, but of what is true about vaccination.

The attitude of your remark is no more than supercilious and without reason.

Regarding “side effects”. Let’s not pretend that definitions and terminology is understood at this stage between so diametrically opposed sides of this. I don’t have a problem with vaccination. You do, your side does.

Lastly for future reference, the severity of pain experienced is not directly proportional to the deadliness or “gravity” of a condition. In most cases it is actually inversely proportional.
Obviously shingles was horrible for you. I wasn’t claiming otherwise or attempting to downgrade that in any way.

Joy: “The clear assertion that I say covid causes shingles infection, is simply ridiculous.” If you’d said the vexxines cause shingles, you’d be right. Well known adverse event by now. Hep C and various cancers come back as well.

Rudolph Harrier: “If you prefer, I can start from the possibility that you are an ignorant dolt in future interactions.” You are a wise man.

Philemon, your arrogance is spectacular.
Shingles is caused by an infection with a virus.

You don’t understand ’cause’, clearly. That explains quite bit.
Try to make comments without he ad hominem, as it lowers the tone and does your point no favours.

Joy: “Like an oil change! It’s the same kind of reason why babies eyes turn from blue/violet to boring colours after a time. Toxins deposited in the iris.” And Joy: “Yak’s milk’s pink!”

Joy, you are a weird Gawd helpus. It’s not an ad hominem; it’s just a fact.

Vexxines cause shingles. It is now a well known adverse event due to the vexx.

No Malcom, Phlemon, singles is caused by an infection. It is necessary for the disease to develop. With or without covid. You are confused about cause and matters of complexity with regards to human immunity.

The personal attacks are self evident

I’d say the original discussion, which you lost, is about a month to six weeks ago. You haven’t desisted yet and still think a throw away comment which was light hearted is in some way to be used as a riff or a salient point.

I think that’s pretty creepy at this point. Couple that with your repeated requests to find out where I live and work?