To show you how much we hunger to give obedience to true authority, and how weak we become when we surrender to fear, I give you Justin Trudeau, perhaps the most effeminate of all modern day leaders.
I thought this was supposed to be a conspiracy theory. But here it is, straight from Trudeau’s mouth. The pandemic is the excuse for a “Great Reset” of the world, led by the UN. pic.twitter.com/ybugYfjhAq
— Ezra Levant ?? (@ezralevant) November 15, 2020
“…reaching the 2030 Agenda for sustainable development…This pandemic has provided an opportunity for a [Great] Reset. This is our chance to accelerate our pre-pandemic efforts to re-imagine economic systems that actually address global challenges like extreme poverty, inequality, and global cooling.”
He might have said “global warming” instead of “global cooling”—I’m going from memory, here.
Trudeau, who excels at playing dress-up at parades were men discuss pride at having discovered new ways to masturbate into each other’s lower alimentary canals, only got the job because his father was what many considered a leader. We all want to follow strong, noble leaders who guide us toward Reality. We want this natural state so badly we’re willing to put up figments of shadows of reasonable impressions of good leaders.
There is no other reason Trudeau or, over the border, Andrew Cuomo would have their jobs were it not for our perception their fathers were strong (or strong-ish) and we believed in the power of blood to convey greatness. This made sense with Kings, who would claim divine authority. That reasoning fails utterly for these two—and for many more examples.
Trudeau is not unpopular, though, not with the majority. Same with Cuomo.
This is because both men learned—or, more likely, they are being coached by their betters—how to sell fear to an increasingly effeminate populace. Rather, both are selling the “solution” to the fear they heped caused.
They tried pushing fear of global cooling. That didn’t work because people could look out their windows and see what was happening. The threats of weather doom made by government and the media were always distant and far into the future. Some panicked, it’s true. But not enough.
It was much easier with the coronadoom. Night after night came images of doctors and nurses (we suppose) in suits that could survive nuclear blasts, showing patients (of what kind, who knows) hooked up to plumbing systems more complicated than those the run through aircraft carriers. This will be you soon! Unless you follow orders.
Death! Death! Death! And after deaths decreased and the numbers lost their power to terrorize, they switched to Cases! Cases! Cases!
Only a rare few paused to consider the risk. Here it is, according to the CDC. The population fatality rates for various age groups, of dying from COVID or something else.
POPULATION FATALITY RATES
Age COVID Other Cause
1 Under 1 year 0.00000660 0.003600
2 1–4 years 0.00000095 0.000160
3 5–14 years 0.00000095 0.000098
4 15–24 years 0.00000940 0.000600
5 25–34 years 0.00003700 0.001100
6 35–44 years 0.00010000 0.001700
7 45–54 years 0.00028000 0.003100
8 55–64 years 0.00065000 0.006700
9 65–74 years 0.00150000 0.014000
10 75–84 years 0.00360000 0.032000
11 85 years and over 0.01000000 0.098000
The risk is no higher than 0.0001 for those 34 and under. There is ten times the risk of dying from other causes, mostly accidents, suicide and cancer. This ten times figure (or more) applies to every age bracket.
The risk of COVID death only increases into a real concern once you pass 85, maybe 75.
There was, and is, no reason for people to panic, or to fear, especially if they are otherwise healthy. The numbers go down for the healthy, and up for the ill (those who already have other sicknesses).
When was the last time Trudeau, or Cuomo, or anybody in the corporate media or government told you these statistics? How about our Bishops in charge of our spiritual well-being? They’re having zoom meetings and writing giggly tweets about Baby Yoda gifs (can you imagine anything more effeminate? Update: original tweet deleted: here’s backup). Nobody in power has ever tried to put this routine pandemic into perspective.
Tell this to the next panicked person you meet: It was your fear, your willingness to be scared, your screaming “Save me! Save me!”, your gullibility in believing every new horror story, your simplicity in allowing the fraud Fauci to prosper, your effeminate panic that allowed the wholesale grab in power currently underway.
Again.
Lockdowns failed the first time: they caused death and misery. Now with the false headlines of increases in “cases”, they’re doing them again. Only now they’re calling them “freezes”. Old wine in old skins. The Oregon ruler is threatening to jail those violating her harmful orders.
How is it the only “solution” offered by our rulers has been to throw people out of work, thereby transferring more wealth to the oligarchs?
The great transfer of wealth from you to them is what the Great Reset is. It’s underway now, being driven by our fear.
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We need to find a way to make the Great Reset Slave State the focus of fear. What symbol would take the place of the mask?
Good article – can you provide links to CDC data table ?
JJ, go to home page and see the coronavirus update. All sources and data linked within.
“I give you Justin Trudeau” NO NO NO. I won’t take him. Return to sender. Same for Macron. I do volunteer to reset him, however.
Hitler is smiling.
Nope, DNA has nothing to do with any of this. Sissy babies raised by liberated sluts has everything to do with it. We get sissy babies from rich sluts, gang members from poor sluts.
And in keeping with tradition these tyrants murder their flocks to keep the fear going. Millions have been murdered by withholding treatment, locking up the population, etc. Stalin and Lenin are dancing.
Decades of idiot women raising sissy men had to destroy us. Again, humans hate freedom, love fear and will always do so. For a reference, check the first “couple” and their offspring. Stupid woman flipped off God and got tossed out of garden because a man who feared his spouse more than God went along, then Son A murdered son B. So it would seem we are merely regressing to the beginning.
I do tell people it’s their fault and they are stupid. I consider it a service. I am keeping a list of names so their grandkids digging in garbage cans can thank grandma and grandpa. (I have some suggestions on what to do with Fauci, but not here…..)
The wealth transfer and fear only work because the stupid gave their money to the wealthy because the stupid were addicted to electronic SOMA and would rather die than give it up. It’s addiction, not fear.
“…our perception their fathers were strong (or strong-ish) and we believed in the power of blood to convey greatness. This made sense with Kings, who would claim divine authority. That reasoning fails utterly for these two—and for many more examples.”
Exhibit A of this belief is on full display, as our election chaos plays out. Many Normals, who support President Trump, are discussing “who will we rely on, once Trump is gone (2024)?” The most common response seems to be: Don Jr!
Not a sound strategy. American dynasties–Roosevelts, Kennedys, Bushes, etc, etc–are as rotten as the royal dynasties we defeated and expelled from our soil.
“It was your fear, your willingness to be scared, your screaming “Save me! Save me!”, your gullibility in believing every new horror story, your simplicity in allowing the fraud Fauci to prosper, your effeminate panic that allowed the wholesale grab in power currently underway.”
An excellent summation.
Jeffrey Jorgensen
Data navigation is a B***ARD
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-on-Ages-0-18-Yea/nr4s-juj3
Watch Viva Frei (YouTube or Rumble – Vivafrei) on Trudeau’s three scandals (the last one he is skillfully using the coof to social distance any current repercussions
Trudeau scandals
We’re not just talking “black face”, these are serious almost Biden-level Conflicts of Interest issues
Trump shows all the character traits typically ascribed to the “effeminate” by those who are fond of that term.
Consider:
He’s highly emotional, and reacts hysterically to any hint of criticism;
He’s obsessed with his physical appearance, especially his hair. In several photographs of state events, bobby pins are visible holding his hairdo in place. Bobby pins. On a “man”.
He fawns over strong men, desperately seeking their approval, and is consequently used and discarded by them. That the strong men he favors are authoritarian foreign heads of state drives our foreign policy.
He’s fond of gossip.
There’s more, but you get the idea.
But perhaps Briggs gives the award to Trudeau because Trump doesn’t qualify as a “leader”.
Lee Phillips, your comment would be interesting if you made any effort to characterize Briggs’s conception of “effeminate”. Instead you’ve constructed a straw man.
Flu in MN is still practically at zero. Now, this is still the part of the year where flu is historically low (though not this low) so there is a chance that it will pick up. Historically there is usually a big spike in about 3-4 weeks from now and another big spike at the beginning of the new year. So we will see if it does anything like previous years of it continues to “miraculously” be absent.
Doctors are on the news warning us about how the double punch of flu and COVID will kill us all (especially since there is apparently a shortage in flu vaccine), so you’d think it would be in the interest of the establishment to juice those flu numbers too. But so far this has not happened.
On another note, the IHME finally updated their model to include more recent deaths. They still make largely the same predictions for January 1 (about 320,000 in their “current projection”) though they have the big number now track March 1, making the advertised number of deaths bigger.
Something interesting happens in the data though: the “historical deaths” for most states goes through November 8. This is not reflected on the US stats since there are a couple of states that do not have historical data through November 8 (so the whole country is listed as “projected” until then), but for the vast majority of states the historical data is through November 8. But in nearly every state there is a sharp increase in the daily deaths from November 8 to November 9 (the first “projected” date). After that point the “projection” returns to a smooth curve.
It almost looks like they are still using their model based off the previous historical death data and when they updated it with new deaths (and lower deaths than expected) they simply had the “projected” portion remain where it was before.
Jeffrey
This has just about everything
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
Hi Lee, I did consider your comment, and found it fairly lacking. Here’s why:
-“He’s highly emotional, and reacts hysterically to any hint of criticism.”. So, Trump suffers the slings and arrows of the entire Establishment with a capital E, and certainly more in one day than most people receive in a lifetime x 10. Lesser men would have been in the fetal position by that point. I never understood this charge of emotionality and thin skin. At most, it’s a banal and superficial characterization.
-“He’s obsessed with his physical appearance, especially his hair. In several photographs of state events, bobby pins are visible holding his hairdo in place. Bobby pins. On a ‘man'”. I haven’t seen the bobby pins, maybe he has worn them, maybe he hasn’t. That in no way indicates obsession with appearance. I’ve yet to see him fret incessantly over some small detail of his clothing/etc. that would indicate obsession. I think this is an example of bad faith mindreading.
-“He fawns over strong men, desperately seeking their approval, and is consequently used and discarded by them. That the strong men he favors are authoritarian foreign heads of state drives our foreign policy.”. Nonsense. He openly and brutally made fun of the N. Korean leader. His sanctions and other actions against Russia have been fairly adversarial and blunt if still purposeful and measured; not exactly white knighting for Putin, hmmm? I wonder what he’s done to fawn over about the Ayatollah? Need I remind you of the then-impending doom of WWIII from earlier this year?
-“He’s fond of gossip.” I guess, whatever. Don’t really have much to say about that, but neither did you. In some ways, it reminds me of people who say “Oh, he did something good? That’s just cause he wants attention”. (Nevermind he’s the president of the US with plenty of that!). No matter what the behavior, whatever the words used, it will always be the symptom of some sort of malintent (or in this case, laughable or deridable character), or some other such unfalsifiable and even Kafkaesque accusation.
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It’s clear now that the whole plan in rolling out Covid was the Great Reset and getting rid of Trump, to set the stage for global oligarch tyranny. Nothing to do with health or an allegedly “novel” virus. All about social and political control and economic reorganization and consolidation. Ten months on, if people haven’t woken up yet, I’m afraid they might not ever do so. Most seem resigned to just continuing to play along. They seem to love Big Brother’s boot smashing a covid muzzle in their faces forever. We need mass insurrection, and the complete decapitation of the corrupt oligarchy – like Augustus and Antony with their proscription lists following Caesar’s murder – with the top 10,000 or so politicians, and BigTech/Pharma, MIC & Wall Street executives eliminated.
only got the job because his father was what many considered a leader.
Hmm . . . so arguments against hereditary monarchy do exist.
Dr. Briggs & Sheri !
Dr. Briggs, this article hits home on something most people (even on our side) won’t say aloud or in print. Along the same lines, early in the damn Covid overreaction, I phoned a talk show to say in opposing the lockdowns and quarantines of the well: “I’m 65, in the risk age range, and I’m proclaiming aloud — I will face whatever the Covid risk is, if that is the cost of preserving our freedom and economy. Thousands of young men, having never enjoyed what I have in life, faced and received death at D-Day, so that I could enjoy my life so wonderfully in freedom and prosperity. It is the least I can do to deal with a freq’n virus instead of facing machine guns, as my way of preserving the last great hope of mankind for my kids and grandkids, and everyone else’s too.”
Sheri — Wow, you minced no words. You make a subtle and (again) not often spoken point: that some women’s desire for sex and kids and the splitting away of responsibility for competent child raising has given rise to a large cohort of people having never been taught or witnessed the typically masculine traits of detached thinking and courage in the face of physical risk.
God designed us to have masculine and feminine influences upon our upbringing, to promote the best virtues of both courage and compassion. Think about it: neither of these virtues gets much air play in discussion of Covid and policy — only fear gets the speaking parts in the drama.
Rick C.
Amen! From a similar age risk! I would never stand in the way of our grandchildren having what I had! But the FEAR view sees the danger at ALL age groups! Our benefactors and protectors say if I can die, a child can die, young adults could die. And they FIND the child that dies or the young adult that dies and say SEE? FEAR! We will protect you! And kill them with their protection! Love you to death!
Article on vaccine trials…..Take a look!!!
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-trials-showed-severe-side-effects-fever-and-aches
Includes info on, and there is much more in the article:
“Wang added that side effects experienced by other participants “included fever and migraines, and another complained of having a reaction ‘similar to having a hangover.’” It is unclear whether Wang was merely referring to the /Daily Mail/ report, or to his own conversations with participants in the trial.
Pfizer didn’t mention any of the side effects experienced by participants in the vaccine trial.”
Plus:
“Kennedy noted that four of the leading developers of coronavirus vaccines, GlaxoSmithKline , Sanofi , Pfizer , Merck , are “convicted serial felon[s].”
“In the past 10 years, just in the last decade, those companies have paid 35 billion dollars in criminal penalties, damages, fines, for lying to doctors, for defrauding science, for falsifying science, for killing hundreds of thousands of Americans knowingly,” Kennedy said.
“It requires a cognitive dissonance for people who understand the criminal corporate cultures of these four companies to believe that they’re doing this in every other product that they have, but they’re not doing it with vaccines.”
Pfizer alone accounted for more than $4.7 billion in penalties since the year 2000.”
Plus:
“Dr. Helen Watt of the Anscombe Bioethics Centre in Oxford, England, told the /Catholic Herald/ last Monday that the Pfizer vaccine “makes no use of a foetal cell-line in the production process itself, and no use in the design,” but “[o]ne of the confirmatory lab tests on the vaccine did sadly involve an old foetal cell-line.”
The Children of God for Life organization says that the Pfizer vaccine is tested using the HEK 293 cell line , which is derived from kidney tissue taken from a healthy baby who was aborted in the Netherlands in the 1970s.”
God bless, C-Marie
I held my nose and ordered Schwab’s book the full title is “Covid-19: The Great
Reset”. They’re not hiding anything and like Biden’s basement election they’re
rubbing your nose in it.. That feeling of helplessness is baked into the formula.
The ‘Shareholder Economy’, much like the share cropper tenant economy of old,
is upon us. The transformation to tenant status will be gradual and imperceptible
though at times painful. For the health of the planet sacrifices must be made.
Plus more on the vaccine companies:
Plus:
“Kennedy noted that four of the leading developers of coronavirus vaccines, GlaxoSmithKline , Sanofi , Pfizer , Merck , are “convicted serial felon[s].”
God bless, C-Marie
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I found this article about the Great Reset to be of some value in helping me make some sense of what’s going on. Not a lot of sense, mind you, because what’s going on feels more and more like a hallucination, getting weirder by the day. But it’s a start. It has appeared in many sites already, so maybe you have already seen it. I’ll include parts of the first couple of paragraphs.
The Great Reset for Dummies
Where do we go from here?
Tessa Lena
Oct 28, 2020
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/great-reset-dummies
The Great Reset is a massively funded, desperately ambitious, internationally coordinated project led by some of the biggest multinational corporations and financial players on the planet and carried out by cooperating state bodies and NGOs. Its soul is a combination of early 20th century science fiction, idyllic Soviet posters, the obsessiveness of a deranged accountant with a gambling addiction—and an upgraded, digital version of “Manifest Destiny.”
The mathematical reason for the Great Reset is that thanks to technology, the planet has gotten small, and the infinite expansion economic model is bust
[…]
The psychological reason for the Great Reset is the fear of losing control of property, the planet. I suppose, if you own billions and move trillions, your perception of reality gets funky, and everything down below looks like an ant hill that exists for you. Just ants and numbers, your assets.
Thus, the practical aim of the Great Reset is to fundamentally restructure the world’s economy and geopolitical relations based on two assumptions: one, that every element of nature and every life form is a part of the global inventory (managed by the allegedly benevolent state, which, in turn, is owned by several suddenly benevolent wealthy people, via technology)—and two, that all inventory needs to be strictly accounted for: be registered in a central database, be readable by a scanner and easily ID’ed, and be managed by AI, using the latest “science.” The goal is to count and then efficiently manage and control all resources, including people, on an unprecedented scale, with unprecedented digital anxiety and precision—all while the masters keep indulging, enjoying vast patches of conserved nature, free of unnecessary sovereign peasants and their unpredictability. The king’s world feels far more predictable and relaxed when the chaos of human subjectivity is contained for good.
[…]
Stakeholder that is…
Rudolph Harrier wrote: “(especially since there is apparently a shortage in flu vaccine), ”
You need to catch up to the reality, Rudolph.
Panic2020 has caused some disruptions, such as workplace access that often did 20% of vaccinations. But more shot are available. And more people are getting them.
Regional distribution issues and a huge surge of demand are indicators that people have gotten serious about flu shots. Sounds like good news on this front.
Another reason for lack of flu is that many susceptible folks have died from mistakes made back in the spring – – regardless of what bug killed them.
Last month, we got the “high-dose” for those over 65. It is also called high-dose trivalent vaccine.
Perhaps we have a better geography than what you see.
The flu vaccine (only about 50% effective) is an annual marketing and money-making scam for Big Pharma.
There’s a reason even most medical practitioners don’t bother with it.
But if the Great Reset folks succeed in introducing the kind of totalitarian vax regimes that are being discussed (else you be allowed no life at all basically – no travel, no work, no school, no concerts, restaurants, etc.) with Covid as the overblown excuse, I’d rather be dead than submit.
I said “apparently” because there is a local story about flu vaccine shortages, see for example here:
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/11/15/sen-amy-klobuchar-calls-on-cdc-to-address-minnesota-flu-shot-shortage/
I don’t really believe that there is a shortage because, among other things, there have been less people getting the vaccine because they are scared of getting the Wuhan flu while they get their shot.
But I bring that up in the context of the current narrative. There are many stories pushing this idea that we are on the brink with COVID-19 and that when the flu rolls around we’re all going to die. However this doesn’t line up with the very, very low flu rates. And if there really are vaccine shortages (which again, I doubt) that only makes it more unusual that the flu rate would be so low.
I’m sure that early die offs and “social distancing” and the like have had a decrease on flu rates, though I can’t see them nearly making it extinct. Flu cases called “COVID-19 cases” seems like a more likely explanation for the bulk of the drop.
Lee: I think your corset is too tight.
Rick C.: My nice once said “God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and John.
C-Maire: I can’t really hate on drug companies. That would be suicide. (Same response to Dennis and Big Pharma)
https://www.theblaze.com/news/candace-owens-blasts-harry-styles-vogue-photo-shoot-bring-back-manly-men Candace seems to agree with Briggs
Speaking of effeminate men…
Canadian PM Trudeau confirms Great Reset: ‘This pandemic has provided an opportunity for a Reset’ – We need ‘to re-imagine economic systems’ by ‘building back better’
https://www.climatedepot.com/2020/11/16/canadian-pm-trudeau-confirms-covids-great-reset-this-pandemic-has-provided-an-opportunity-for-a-reset-we-need-to-re-imagine-economic-systems-by-building-back-better/
Oh, no, no!! Not hate on drug companies, but give thanks to God for meds made without foetal parts, and ask Him earnestly for leading and guiding to the making of meds and for healings that are needed.
God bless, C-Marie
Sheri: The problem with drug companies today – and allopathic medicine in general – is that they often promote unnecessary things simply as profit boosting measures (and engage in price gouging and stock boosting PR and insider trading – such as the President of Pfizer who sold 60% of his stock last week after the overblown “breakthrough” announcement had boosted the stock price), and at the expense of less costly remedies (but long out of patent) people could otherwise use. For example, remedies to boost one’s immune system, such as Zinc, Vitamin, C, and Vitamin D for flu and Covid, rather than experimental and potentially dangerous vaccines rushed to market. And as we see with Covid as well, vast R&D resources are pushed toward something that is a very slight health risk for 99.9% of people, with corners cut and product liability immunity guaranteed by governments, at the expense of much more deadly and pressing diseases.
Drug companies should be about promoting health and well-being – with proper prioritization of resources – but they are in fact mostly about maximizing profit for executives and shareholders in the quickest and most efficient way possible, even if that is detrimental to the actual Common Good.
Real men don’t need to boast or fawn over others
They’ve got it and they know it
“I will face whatever the Covid risk is, if that is the cost of preserving our freedom and economy. Thousands of young men, having never enjoyed what I have in life, faced and received death at D-Day, so that I could enjoy my life so wonderfully in freedom and prosperity. It is the least I can do to deal with a freq’n virus instead of facing machine guns, as my way of preserving the last great hope of mankind for my kids and grandkids, and everyone else’s too.”
Yeah? Ask Captain Tom if he agrees with your pantomime ideas.
We can all say we’re not afraid and have and it makes no difference whatsoever whether you think you’re brave or not.
The virtue required at this time are patience and wisdom.
Do the thought experiment, but first you must admit the truth to yourself, that the virus does have a high force of transmission and is deadly. Once you’re admitted that, the rest follows…it’s the reason there’s still so many saying it isn’t actually that bad after all. They are deluded, at this stage
Do the thought experiment, but first you must admit the truth to yourself, that the virus does have a high force of transmission and is deadly.
“Deadly” is not really accurate for the 65 and under crowd. You can see that in the stats quoted in the posts on this site, or by looking through CDC data, or by looking through your local department of health site. When it comes to college students, certainly Meningitis is more deadly and in most other age brackets there is some other disease that is more of a risk.
It is dangerous for the very elderly and those with compromised immune systems (though then again so are most diseases) and they should have some level of protection. But that hardly requires a long term shutdown of our economy, which leads to far more deaths through things malnutrition, homelessness, and suicides due to despair.
COVID-19 is only “deadly” in the younger age brackets in the sense that it kills a very small minority. Driving in a car is far more “deadly” for most age brackets.
According to the CDC there have been more deaths in the 85+ age bracket than the entire 0-64 age bracket. If we add up through the 44 year olds, which I think is a pretty generous to include all the “young” people being discussed, we get 6,603 deaths across the whole country. That’s less than 3% of all deaths due to COVID-19. For a different perspective, you can look at the relative death rates in the original post.
Do people die from it? Sure. Is it in any worrying quantity for people younger than 65? Not really. If you want to condemn people to joblessness, starvation and despair because you are irrationally afraid of a disease that causes low relative risk, that’s on you.
Yes Rudolph if I and the rest of the world subscribed to your premises, values and evaluations
https:/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan%27s_Run
Agree on the terms of the argument.
This isn’t a matter of philosophy it’s a matter of practicality first.
The greatest minds in the world have come to the same conclusion. Many of them Christian, by the way.
So there’s no monopoly by the denier side on Christianity either.
1 Corinthians 13:
https://www.biblegateway.com/audio/mclean/niv/1Cor.13
Joy,
Proclaim that Jesus Christ was risen from the dead, ascended into heaven and is Lord and Savior of the world.
1 Peter 3 15:
“But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect”
Rudolph
If I type your words is it going to make any difference?
You’ve abandoned actually referring to arguments of others and instead have made repeated attempts to assert moral authority using Christian trappings.
I think the bare minimum that you could do now is demonstrate that you actually believe in them.
Rudolph whether you think something’s a ‘trapping’ or a ‘truth’ is neither here nor there although it’s your right to say what you think.
What you assert though, that is not true is open for correction isn’t it?
Your argument relies on exaggeration and false notions about the purposes and intentions of others.
Quite a waste of time, actually.
When I really drill down and ask the question nobody want to admit it boils down to:
It’s not bad enough. Yet the same individuals having said this aren’t willing to admit what would be bad enough?
It’s a false argument from the start.
All acting scientists in professional roles including for your own Trup government, which did a good job, by the way, Think it IS bad enough. So take it up with them. The reasoning I’m giving comes from the same stable.
It isn’t all about YOU getting ill or those who think they’ve the right to speak for others about their own value of their own life. Everybody’s living int he same country and so the down side of that means you have to deal with your fellow county men.
Or go and become an off grid spoon widdler, which appeals if you know someone who can widdle spoons. I’ve never really tried very hard.
You say I’m ignoring argument but it’s all been done to death! Where were you?
Deadly” is not really accurate for the 65 and under crowd. You can see that in the stats quoted in the posts on this site, or by looking through CDC data, or by looking through your local department of health site. When it comes to college students, certainly Meningitis is more deadly and in most other age brackets there is some other disease that is more of a risk.”
That quote, for instance:
It gives an air of being ‘helpful’ and informed to the casual observer of the discussion but in reality it’s just repeating the argument with a different value on which age groups count by your reckoning.
Essentially saying it only matters to old people. Old people always die, I say it’s okay so it’s okay? How does that sound for reframing? That’s what I’m hearing.
These numbers are not a surprise to anybody in healthcare or anybody who’s been following the covid outbreak from the very beginning. I realise that students are a group off special interest behind the scenes around here, but to most ordinary people they’re not going to care about your values over their own.
What you say about respiratory diseases has been said a hundred times. If you go back far enough you’ll find me making a prediction about it before much was known beyond what China was putting out. It is a SARS type disease. That kind of thing has been identified since I was working as a Junior in the nineties. It was known how to position patients prone, how ventilation was causing problems due to the massive inflammatory response.
None of that was particularly new. So excuse me if I don’t take lessons from you about lists of age groups affected by this disease.
We know, by now, we all know.
Banging on about the list over and over isn’t sharing anything that wasn’t already known. AS HAS BEEN STATED MANY TIMES BEFORE.
It boils down to value for life and where that starts and finishes. Where your freedom and the other’s starts. The same old chestnuts over and over.
Meanwhile, the staff don’t want to have to choose who to save and who to allow to die. It seems statistics can give us those answers. Jus check the list. Ask an old person if they think they count and then that’ll solve the problem. Which one shall we ask?
Frankly, most of the people on here apart from exercising their right to say whatever they want have absolutely not the first clue when it comes to infection control or disease. Meningitis has nothing to do with Covid! That there’s a more infectious or more deadly disease is utterly irrelevant unless you’re one of them there deniers who refuses to understand.
…and another thing,
It’s all the denial talk that helped Trump to loose and gave yet more fodder for the left and media as well as your actual enemies as opposed to imagined ones.
You don’t know when your’e well off you lot…
Dennis:
They are talking about “forgiving debt” with the requirement you forfeit everything you have ever owned and could own.
This is a shadow of the real debt jubilee in the scriptures, where after 50 years all your debt is forgiven, with no strings attached.
The thing is they convinced most of the masses to spend and spend, and with ultra low interest rates nearly every one of them have debt, often massive amounts so they’ll have no choice otherwise.
Yes, death is preferrable. Actually if the vaccine has very high death rate I’d gladly take it.
“God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and John.”
And this or any other god is a fiction made by man. What’s your point?
Ty
Dear Joy:
>>> The greatest minds in the world have come to the same conclusion. Many of them Christian, by the way.
Easily one of the greatest minds in the world and a devout Christian also.
http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2020/10/lockdowns-versus-social-justice.html
Other great minds who disagree with the Trudeau/Biden/Cuomo/Whitmer/Brown approach:
Victor David Hanson, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams
Dr. Harvey A. Risch, Department of Chronic Disease Epidemiology, Yale School of Public Health, New Haven, Connecticut.
Dr. Michael Levitt, biophysicist and professor of structural biology, Stanford University, USA. Recipient of the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.
And the authors of the The Great Barrington Declaration:
Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.
Professor Sunetra Gupta is an infectious disease epidemiologist and a professor of theoretical epidemiology at the Department of Zoology, University of Oxford.
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.
>>> This isn’t a matter of philosophy it’s a matter of practicality first.
No, it is a matter of PUBLIC POLICY, so it is a matter that all people have a voice in. Practicality only enters into the discussion when various policy options are debated. For instance: Simple cloth masks at best offer a 25% reduction in infection rate if and only if they are worn correctly, they are properly cleaned and disinfected, etc. But human behavior being what we know from history, philosophy, sociology, and observing health care workers, does a government enforced mask mandate make good practical policy. A significant portion of great minds have answered NO.
Dear Joy:
>>> 1 Corinthians 13: https://www.biblegateway.com/audio/mclean/niv/1Cor.13
>>> Frankly, most of the people on here apart from exercising their right to say whatever they want have absolutely not the first clue when it comes to infection control or disease. Meningitis has nothing to do with Covide’s a more infectious or more deadly disease is utterly irrelevant unless you’re one of them there deniers who refuses to understand.
You reference the NIV translation which use the word “love”, while my favorite Douay-Rheims and the ubiquitous King James use “charity”. Where charity also means love of neighbor, love of enemy, or love of debate opponent.
Please follow your own advice and exercise a little love of neighbor, since us there deniers have read the scientific conclusions of dozens of infectious disease specialists. Many of whom in 2019 were considered the best in the World.
Dear Joy: Last one for now
>>> IT boils down to value for life and where that starts and finishes. Where your freedom and the other’s starts. The same old chestnuts over and over.
Yes, and to paraphrase the smartest human being to walk the planet since the Ascension, St. Thomas Aquinas:
Private Property is not only legal, it is necessary for the proper functioning of society.
The great minds of the world have agreed that these rights are unalienable, Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Locke substituted Property.
The great minds of the world have also concluded that the best way to secure the first two was to focus on the third.
So, do your favored public policy diktats enhance or erode Private Property? They are seriously eroding Private Property rights. Therefore the secondary and tertiary effects of your preferred policies will not value Life nor increase Liberty.
>>> Meanwhile, the staff don’t want to have to choose who to save and who to allow to die. It seems statistics can give us those answers. Jus check the list. Ask an old person if they think they count and then that’ll solve the problem. Which one shall we ask?
Working in Health Care doesn’t give you any special insight into setting public health policy, just like being in the military gives them any special insight into setting foreign policy. The latter part of your statement, you are better than that. Arguing against a straw man.
>>> It is a SARS type disease. That kind of thing has been identified since I was working as a Junior in the nineties.
According to the WHO
Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is a viral respiratory disease caused by a SARS-associated coronavirus. It was first identified at the end of February 2003 during an outbreak that emerged in China and spread to 4 other countries.
So, I don’t think you meant to say you were working on it before the WHO identified it as a syndrome. But, I assume you meant to say you were working on Acute Respiratory diseases in the nineties and SARS/SARS-CoV-2 are subsets of AR diseases.
It would be mean for me to ignore your typo and get on my soapbox to denounce you as a false grandstander. Please show the same courtesy to your fellow debaters.
To anyone out there please let me know if I missing something.
I have been searching for peer reviewed articles in scientific journals published on or before Dec-31-2019 on these subjects:
Lockdowns (Full or Partial) lasting longer than 21 days show any positive effect on a viral disease pandemic.
Mandatory mask mandates slow the progress of a viral disease or reduce the infection rate.
Social Distancing of 6 feet or even just 1 meter slow the progress of a viral disease or reduce the infection rate.
I have been searching for over 7 months and still zip, zero, nada
When I really drill down and ask the question nobody want to admit it boils down to:
It’s not bad enough. Yet the same individuals having said this aren’t willing to admit what would be bad enough?
1) Even if it got significantly worse, that would not justify lockdowns, because we have no evidence lockdowns work
2) The reason is that it isn’t even close. This is right around the ballpark of the 57′ and 68′ flus, where nobody locked down and they turned into footnotes in history.
Discussing “What would it take to lockdown?” is a red herring, like asking how bad the roads would need to flood before you shut down the streets in a normal storm. I don’t know, but I do know you don’t shut down the town because it’s raining.
War Drum Beating and COVID19 Pandemic false flag is used in instilling fear and cover-up of the World Corporate Government Bankruptcy and the impending Global Currency Reset. The Governments of the Bretton Woods’ member countries are illegitimate corporations. (KH)
Karen Hudes: Board of Governors of the World Bank and IMF announced a transition to asset-backed currencies.
https://nbakay.wordpress.com/2018/11/15/karen-hudes-board-of-governors-of-the-world-bank-and-imf-announced-a-transition-to-asset-backed-currencies/
“Do the thought experiment, but first you must admit the truth to yourself, that the virus does have a high force of transmission and is deadly…it’s the reason there’s still so many saying it isn’t actually that bad after all. They are deluded, at this stage”
Utterly absurd.
Latest CDC numbers:
Age Group Infection Fatality Rate Survival Rate
0-19 .00003% 99.997%
20-49 .0002% 99.98%
50-69 .005% 99.5%
70+ .054% 94.6%
Now tell me who’s the f-ing deluded one? Who’s the one pushing exaggerated fear and paranoia over a virus barely more serious than flu, and submission to insanely draconian and tyrannical government decrees that are destroying the social and economic basis of normal life functioning for the vast majority of people who are at effectively zero risk? Even the most at risk age group has a high survival rate (and much of those are actually in the 80+ group though they start it at 70) barely above their similar risk for flu and many other things the elderly and those with co-morbidities are at risk for (one of the worst co-morbidities is obesity – ever hear the major media talk to their fat-ass slob audiences about that?).
But the bait-and-switch went from “flatten the curve” to avoid hospitals being overwhelmed (never were and aren’t not now) to “shut down everything and destroy all life functioning forever so we can try to make it so that no one anywhere should ever be at the slightest risk of ever catching a routine virus (but just this one – we don’t care about the rest…ALL COVID ALL THE TIME IS ALL THAT MATTERS!!!!). I read yesterday about a man who is 46 and just diagnosed with a serious cancer. Needs surgery ASAP. Was told it will be delayed at least three months where he lives because the powers that be have decreed certain numbers of hospital beds must be kept free at all times for an “potential surge” of Covid patients. Why they think this is never explained, since there never was an overwhelming surge of patients even at the height of the now over pandemic, which has been replaced by a PCR test-induced casedemic. Utterly criminal and downright sickening! How may others like him? How many have been denied care for countless other things because of this one routine flu-like virus this year, yet we’re supposed to clap and smile and pretend the great “hero” “front-line” medical workers are doing amazing things and risking their lives just like front-line soldiers! Give me an f-ing break.
But yeah, let’s pretend those who are angry or who recognize that Covid has been greatly exaggerated for ulterior political, social, and economic purposes are the deluded ones!
“The greatest minds in the world have come to the same conclusion”
And who are these greatest minds? Do tell. Very curious to hear who you think the greatest minds on the world are. Fraudci? This isn’t his first rodeo as a viral hoaxer…research the part the played in the AZT debacle with AIDS decades ago. Your boy Whitty?
And to dismiss Rudolph’s argument above with the claim that it only applies if everyone agree with his premises is just nonsense when you don’t actually bother to point out any particular alleged premise that is wrong. Just vaguely referred to “greatest minds in the world” supposedly agreeing with the disastrous global response to Covid. Rudolph is looking rationally at the actual data and coming to sound conclusions rather than allowing himself to be ruled by hysterical fear and paranoia over what is ultimately a routine flu-like virus for most. Then to throw out bible quotes as if it proves you are the Christian one really takes the cake. Very Christian of you to support personally invasive, humiliatingm and useless forced mask regimes masks and lockdowns that have been proven to have cost far more lives and livelihoods than this stupid virus.
SpudJr60– Try this link for masks: https://www.technocracy.news/censored-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covid-19-social-policy-and-why-face-masks-dont-work/
“Meanwhile, the staff don’t want to have to choose who to save and who to allow to die.”
Ha. That’s what they do everyday, especially in deciding to make everything revolve around Covid and only Covid all the time now. People with many other health issues are denied treatment, preventative care, surgeries, etc. Disastrous health care policies using Covid as the excuse have sentenced far more people to death than will die from this stupid overblown flu. To say nothing of the other deaths from lockdowns – deaths of despair, suicide, etc from failing businesses, lost jobs. But yes, aren’t you the Christian one for exaggerating this one virus all out of reasonable proportion and claiming to be the one helping to save lives and to care about the vulnerable and elderly!
Just as with Biden claiming yesterday that “more people will die if Trump’s team doesn’t work with mine now” you and a large number of delusional and paranoid people, including the so-called experts responsible for the disastrous policies (many of them on the take from Big Pharma and with many political and financial conflicts of interest that makes their advice dubiously motivated), whom you claim are the greatest minds in the world, seem to think we can eliminate all risk – and indeed death itself – from life. Perhaps we could all live in hermetically sealed bubbles, like the boy in the bubble with the non-existent immune system in the ’80s (remember the Paul Simon song?), and just have air and liquids pumped in, so we never risk being exposed to any virus or bacteria? But would that be a life worth living? If you are the Christian you claim to be, you should know there are some things worse than death itself.
Fraudci is talking about masks, etc. until at least the end of 2021, even with a vaccine! I’m already very close to deciding this world is not worth living in much longer and that death would be a relief, especially given the kind of regime we’ll be forced to live in with Fraudci (who Trump should have fired already) and the Biden gang (along with the likes of Klaus Schwab, Gates, and the rest of the Great Reset-ers) in charge. Our only hope in the near term for relief is that Biden is never allowed to be installed after this fraudulent election.
“The reason is that it isn’t even close. This is right around the ballpark of the 57? and 68? flus, where nobody locked down and they turned into footnotes in history. ”
Indeed. This point about ’69 Hong Kong Flu is one my 72 year-old mom often makes. She said until it recently started being mentioned news often again due to Covid, she had basically forgotten it ever happened and can’t recall anyone being much bothered by it or fearful of going about normal life (Hell, I barely remember any details about the 2009 H1N1, just barely over a decade ago. Can’t recall giving a minutes’ thought to it at the time). After all, things like Woodstock went on during the Hong Kong Flu pandemic, and people would have though it crazy to suggest Woodstock, or anything else, should be cancelled because of a flu bug going around.
Covid won’t be forgotten, but not because the virus itself is so particularly awful or deadly, but because of the disastrous – indeed criminal – response to it.
One has to ask why then this virus was chosen as the one to blow all out of proportion and use and an excuse for such a socially and economically disastrous response, which likely not only hasn’t saved lives, but has cost more lives (and livelihoods and well-being, both physically and mentally) than just the virus left alone or treated as any other annual flu-like virus would ever have done. Perhaps it is as Tradical (@NoTrueScotist) says: “Current events make a lot more sense once you accept that demons literally exist & are actively roaming the Earth.”
“You reference the NIV translation which use the word “love”, while my favorite Douay-Rheims and the ubiquitous King James use “charity”. Where charity also means love of neighbor, love of enemy, or love of debate opponent.”
Yes speedo, I have been in trouble for usig King James. The first time I didn’t YUOU pull me up for it.
It makes not difference if you prefer charity but of course if you read that word in it only enforces the point.
However, charity is referenced by the phrase about giving all your goods to the poor yet you still have no charity? Suggest the New INternational Version may have some point to make there that what is being referred to IS Love.
Since this concurs with Paul’s assertion and any deep thinker’s conclusion I think your point there is a bit weak to say the very least.
Regarding the rest?
I haven’t read your total list. I won’t promise to do so but I’m happy to answer specific points if they’re made properly and not just to take up space.
Your list ofDrs, I infir/assume is to try to play trumps with experts but that’s quite a waste of time too.
Without Faudci as the black card, your list won’t number those in employment in the field charged with the task of managing the crisis.
I haven’t therefore read any other comments after your own. Not least the names say it all.
“Deadliness” is not a scientific measure! It’;s a description which is given to many diseases worthy of that name.
Pneumonia would be one. There doesn’t have to be a scare quotient for a disease to be considered deadly but it depends if you ask a member of the public or someone on the internet, or whoever. They will all value a disease with a higher fear factor and that’s what’s at the bottom of much of the false argumentation by accusation from the ‘denier’s’ side.
Force of transmission or the doubling rate has it’s own weight in modelling or for ordinary people thinking about how to respond and move resources appropriately.
As I said right at the beginning of this episode on here, when it became clear that the argument was not about what is right but what people want or prefer or think is right.
If to you/ or anyone who thinks like you, the price of freedom is higher than the price of life in an ideological way which affects your evaluation, you’re wasting tiime and so am I in a discussion about infection rates or deadliness.
However there’s no controversy about infection fatality rate and never was. If you think there was you’ve been taken in by media and propaganda.
There’s no controversy about much of this until conclusions have to be drawn.
You and I aren’t going to agree but thank you for writing so much and for being polite, in your address.
Still, the point on topic is about effeminacy and some other man bitch topic?
How would females know? we make the rules but allow you men to think you thought of it all on your own!
“However there’s no controversy about infection fatality rate and never was. ”
That is simply not true. And if not, then why has been, and still is, often obfuscated by news and politicians and health bureaucrats to make people believe the virus is far more deadly than it is. Early models tried to sell people on the notion that 3-5% infected would die, when it is nowhere near that (never mind coming close to 1918 Spanish Flu or 1348 Black Death levels). Polls repeatedly have shown people estimat ethe death rate at 5-10% – this can only be a fucntion of the true IFR being obscured and people fed lies in order to feed paranoia.
And if you agree the IFR is so low, then why the fear, panic, and paranoia? Why support extreme and destructive public measures for a disease that is simply not that deadly? You obfuscate by trying to claim, well yes, we’ve always known the IFR is not that high, but “deadly ” is relative to what one fears, etc…all BS. And none of which justifies the extreme, destructive, and evil “public health” measures being taken in the name of Covid (and which people like you enable and support) in order to tyrannize, de-humanize, and de-face people everywhere – and apparently forever, if scum like Fauci or the people Biden wants to empower have their way!!!
Come to the Water of Life, Jesus Christ, and you will never thirst again. He loves you. He is the reason for living until God calls one home to Himself.
Always history has been filled with ups and downs and all arounds, and people make it through by abiding in Jesus and Him abiding in them.
Fellowship with Christ can only be had by deciding to trust Him, and then trust can grow step by step, developing into a beautiful fellowship with Him. Believe Him. Believe God’s witness to Him. Jesus is real.
He really is the Son of God. He really took on human flesh. He really lived and taught in the earth. He really suffered and died on the Cross. He really rose from the dead. He really ascended into Heaven. He really sits at the right hand of God, interceding for us all day and night. He really is coming back with His angels and His saints. He really is going to judge the living and the dead.
And He really does forgive us our unbelief in Him and our sins when we truly repent.
God bless, C-Marie
“And if you agree the IFR is so low, then why the fear, panic, and paranoia? Why support extreme and destructive ”
There is no fear panic or paranoia escept on your part Dennis and that of others opposing a non existent conspiracy.
regarding IFR, this is the point which you and in fact Briggs have failed to recognise is the reason why a transmission force that is high creates massive death figures amongst a population and is apparent to anyone with average intellect or possibly less.
High IFR X high force of transmission with no herd immunity, natural or otherwise x asymptomatic spread = high mortality in a given population.
The true argument, which your ‘side’ is having difficulty admitting, is the question as to whether there’s any point or use in doing anything in prevention of that predictable mortality.
The true debate is about freedom and possession; and value of life.
NOT about deadliness or IFR or any other TLA!
A good philosopher knows this all too well. So this debate is not therefore taking place in a philosophy department, but something more like a bar room.
SpudJr60
Re Mask research:
According to professor Van Tam who is currently a deputy scientific adviser to H Gov. the debate over masks has “being going on for over fifteen years”, he states.
I know personally that back in 2003 when the first SARS broke out I was travelling through Toronto airport on route to and from a holiday in Jasper. That similar disease had a higher fatality rate although was harder to contract than the current one. My travelling companions had masks but I only wore mine when I thought it likely someone would cough directly into my face, which was really almost nowhere in the airport. I had it to hand for congested queues as much as anything to make myself feel better.
I recall back then a small amount by today’s comparison, of argument about the subject.
That there’s no conclusive information yay or nay has a s much to do with the difficultly in offering certainty in an uncertain world!
Our own expert advisers who have been rejected as conspirators, here, have been totally realistic about the value of masks, types of mask, inside versus out, and on and on. They have not taken the strange line which seems to have happened in California and other places mentioned.
However, if people want to wear a mask outside, leave them alone, is what I say, don’t torment them.
Similarly, people not wearing masks outside should not fear scolding from strangers or tin pot mayors, either.
If people had only listened to Trump’s military medical staff. Faudci was always divisive. SO is exaggerating the opposite case against the use of masks.
Spud:
RE your 1 and 2 in comment @ 7:44 am
Number one is the one which I think is worth a discussion with all definitions properly defined but that’s not likely to happen and we live in the real world, not the theoretical mathematical one!
Is the one that’s been addressed many times regarding history of flu epidemics.
So far the total excess death is 250,000 in the US WITH measures of various kinds and various compliance to socially distance and break transmission. So it’s false to argue that what has happened so far would not have been worse because you claim after the fact that “lockdowns don’t work!”
It’s a circular argument.
First prove that they don’t work and then convince people that they would be no different had nothing been done, for example whee people DID do as they were told, which they did, in majority of cases.
Regarding your claim of a red herring.
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
You can’t have it both ways.
“it’s not bad ENOUGH”
but I’m not saying what IS!
That is not rational although I understand where you’re heading or what you’re trying to say.
I happen to think it’s all in the word “lockdown”.
One important question is (and I don’t pretend to have the answer)
What happened in China?
By evaluation of those claiming “lockdowns (undefined) don’t work”?
It’s worth recognising that all governments taking action have made the same argument that there are no such things as perfect solutions. NO solutions are good ones because the situation IS dire. There are choices to be made and each nation has done it’s best to do what is right in their situation, or at least you’d hope they did.
Your point about possession:
How strange that you construct this straw man argument and need acquires to help!:
What a surprise!
What you’re doing is providing your reasoning as to why you don’t think you should have to moderate your behaviour to suit the current situation.
It’s just where does your freedom and someone else’s start and finish.
Most people aren’t relying on Thomas for political advice on pandemics or for anything, frankly.
Paul said,
“the written law kills, the spirit gives life”.
Claiming your favourite legal writ, if you’re making a religious point and are Christian, is disingenuous. Nobody, not even Trump, is arguing that everyone does not have to make sacrifices in order to preserve life.
Some are putting price tag on it.
“So, do ((((your favored public policy diktats)))) enhance or erode Private Property? They are seriously eroding Private Property rights. Therefore the secondary and tertiary effects of your preferred policies will not value Life nor increase Liberty.?
There you’re being vague and disingenuous again. Which favoured policies specifically are you referring to? Cuomo’s? Someone else who’s Ade it to the top in your wonderful system over there?
….
Working in Health Care doesn’t give you any special insight into setting public health policy,”
Firstly, I haven’t set any policies,
Secondly, IT DOES! I disagree completely.
The last person you want in charge is an applied mathematician!
“ Experts should be on tap not on top. ‘
Don’t know what you mean about “the latter part of your statement”:?Military personnel DO and HAVE had plenty to say and have indeed been employed in roles where policy is set. You’re wrong about that, too. Experience counts for more than someone with a good library and internet access. Churchill was in the military AND in media. Boris has been IN media. Trump is a business man! That’s why he’s successful in shaking up the swamp and resetting priorities for his country. Never put a lawyer in charge!!!
Here’s where you are totally wrong and are showing that the information you’re consuming comes from internet sources and NOT a working knowledge of respiratory disorders and their treatment.
SARS1 and SARS 2 have clinical features which are similar.
Classifying the viruses is irrelevant to the point at hand.
FYI:?Adult Respiratory Distress Syndrome is a set of symptoms of various or unknown cause which produces a sort of “status Asthmaticus” which responds poorly to most kinds of therapy and for which ventilation and becomes problematic. Positioning prone is used along with steroids outcome is hard to predict but those with such a syndrome are characterised as presenting with a sudden onset.
So you are speaking outside of your field Spud.
I made the point somewhere else that this disease, although brand new, does not have symptoms which left staff ENTIRELY without a clue! Hence it was obvious that use of steroids would be one of the mainstays of therapy, along with prone lying on ventilators, which is a rare situation, if you’ve ever spent any time on an ICU?ITU, same thing.
Spud:
If you think I missed any juicy ones let me know!
I really think this is an ideological discussion, like I said. When you drill down it’s about the haves and the have nots, the freedom argument, value of life argument.
If the US system were as perfect as you religiously assert, it wouldn’t be in the pickle it’s in today.
The is no perfect system and thinking there is, is one of the first errors. Probably the error of the average dictator.
The vaccine argument which ought to be a tonic or a soothing hope for those with their knickers in a twist about liberty!! Are also gearing up for another row about that!
Meanwhile the rest of the world is getting on with business.
Biden’s your real worry, not medical staff who know what they’re talking about.
One more!
For what it’s worth, to be fair my field is MSK which is a TLA for Musculoskeletal or neuromusculoskeletal.
Chronic pain and complex regional pain diagnostics is my area of interest within that broad field.
However ALL physios just like all Drs have to do rotations and many situations require a cross the board knowledge of all areas, especially in primary care and Hospital outpatients, where patients present with all and any manner of dysfunctions and demographic.
“ There is no fear panic or paranoia escept on your part Dennis and that of others opposing a non existent conspiracy.”
Utter insanity. People like me, who are opposed to the rampant Covid fear-mongering, exaggeration, panic, paranoia, destruction of liberty and the entire social and economic fabric of the world in the name of preventing a what is ultimately a routine flu-like virus (which, contrary to your claim, is not causing “mass death” on any alarming scale out of proportion to any serious flu season that pops up every decade or so), are the ones accused of “fear, panic, and paranoia”! Pure projection on your part. You exemplify the kind of sociopathic thinking that is driving public policy everywhere and destroying all reasonable life in the name of fighting an invisible virus, which simply can’t be done. There is no evidence lockdowns or mask work – in fact abundant evidence they don’t and are far worse than the disease they claim to fight – but they just continue to be ramped-up, the destruction and insanity taken further (The bedwetting pissant governor of my state just decided today that he wishes to destroy the remaining restaurants and bars in the state during the coming weeks that are usually their busiest season and a key to staying afloat, and which are already hanging by a thread after the first lockdowns!; and Public schools still are closed, despite no evidence kids are at risk or that the virus is spread much in schools or bars or restaurants!; This is utterly criminal behavior by this evil tinpot governor!; I pray some people who’s lives and businesses have been destroyed by this scumbag rise up and take merciless revenge on him and his enabling colleagues and advisors!; Your own scum PM and his cabinet and advisors ought to be sealed in the Tower of London and left to rot for their crimes as well). But you and your ilk will keep coming up with excuses justifying the destruction and these ongoing crimes against humanity – all while posing as oh-so self-righteous saviors of humanity. It makes me sick. And how dare you accuse ME of being the one fomenting fear, panic, and paranoia!
And to what allegedly “non-existent“ conspiracy theory are you referring? The Great Reset? It’s no ”conspiracy theory,” true, in the sense that it’s out in the open, and it’s been made clear for all the world what the oligarchs’ intentions are (no mere theory, it’s an open plan, you can even buy the book!), using the politicians they’ve bought to implement their agenda. But perhaps you are taking your cue from the NYT, which recently also tried to gaslight people with the same ”non-existent theory” claim in reporting on Justin Trudeau’s recently much criticized speech in which he specifically endorsed the WEF-Klaus Schwab “Great Reset” by name (just as they’ve all magically been repeating the “Build Back Better” mantra, it’s even Biden’s website address – no conspiracy at all eh? Just pure coincidence adopted by oh-so-enlightened “leaders“ who have your safety and best interests at heart, huh? You believe that BS?). Despite his specific endorsement, NYT claims Trudeau‘s – another bedwetting pissant only where he is because of his superior father’s name; see also Cuomo, lots of these scum around – critics are referring to ”non-existent theory” by connecting him to what he specifically endorsed! Madness. The mass media is nothing but propaganda and gaslighting machine these days – truth and honesty about anything simply don’t enter into the picture. Just as they try to gaslight people with claims that there is “no evidence” of mass fraud in the US election.
I only hope at this point that Trump has the courage to cross the Rubicon and crush the scum ruining this country. Unleash chaos and upend the entire rotten system. Liberal democracy is sham and a racket. Our only choice at this point is between a Caesar and rule by the International Bugmen of Davos (who themselves are mostly a subsidiary of the CCP, as is the Biden clan). I’ll take Caesar: https://macris.substack.com/p/trump-at-the-rubicon. Biden and Harris must be prevented by any means from ever being installed, or the Covid panic and paranoia state will be perpetual, and our liberties will be permanently destroyed as well, particularly the First Amendment, which is under grave assault by the left.
Dennis, you asked,
“And how dare you accuse ME of being the one fomenting fear, panic, and paranoia!”
That comment epitomises why I said you are in fear, panic and paranoia.
I don’t believe I accused you of “fomenting” those things. That would be the left wing media.
You do seem to show the signs of all of them though. They are contagious and without the right kind of intervention they are self generating and propagating.
I said this:
There is no fear panic or paranoia except on your part Dennis and that of others opposing a non existent conspiracy. *with typo corrected.
There is no conspiracy. There’s a lot of opportunism, high emotion and nastiness, too.
To say it is a conspiracy is to award your enemies with way more ability than they are actually capable.
People aren’t that good at keeping secrets!
If you think there might be foul play, look to China.
The attitude you take against the government here is the same one which our media makes, along with Bloomberg and CNN. So you make up your mind about whether you’re in good company there. Jeremy Corbyn would agree with you, so would the anarchists.
God bless everybody
Dear Briggs and friends:
https://youtu.be/LcouA_oWsnU
“There is no fear panic or paranoia except on your part Dennis ” (sic – try the serial comma, since you’re into “correcting typos,” though I don’t know which one you supposed to be referring to above). That is indeed tantamount to accusing me of fomenting all of those. It makes no sense otherwise. I am the one against all the fear-mongering, panic, and paranoia being fomented by politicians and media in the name of this stupid overblown virus. You just run cover for them and blithely accept what’s being done to the world, because you accept at face value their spin that this is some really super scary deadly virus that we all must be in a panic over (and blithely accept claims that masks and lockdowns “work”). Every scientifically rigorous mask study ever done says otherwise, including the recent Danish study, and every public health body recommended against their generalized public use until recent political pressure by politicians who adopted masks as a badge of submission and virtue-signalling, convinced them to change their recommendations for political purposes, not scientific ones (even Fraudci as late as May or June was against them, but then suddenly switched). But your ilk pretend “it’s not a big deal..such a small thing to show one cares and isn’t being selfish…blah blah blah…” IT IS A HUGE DEAL AND I WILL NOT SUBMIT – JUST AS I WILL NOT SUBMIT TO ANY FORCED VACCINE REGIME – AND I WILL SMASH THE FACE OF THE FIRST PERSON WHO DARES ACCOST ME ANYWHERE ABOUT NOT WEARING ONE! And you claim there is no evidence to prove lockdowns don’t work. There have in fact been plenty of comparative analyses of places that had no lockdowns or mask mandates with those that did or still have them, and they are no worse off with regard to the virus (and in some cases markedly better – such as Sweden and Croatia, North Dakota, etc.). But sure, go on pretending your nanny state preferences and cowed submission are justified.
As for the rest, your response doesn’t even make sense on any level. “The attitude you take against the government here is the same one which our media makes, along with Bloomberg and CNN.” Just meaningless babble. Yeah, I’m exactly like CNN in my “take against the government.” CNN and the rest of major media are hardly “against the government,” they are the propaganda arm of the Deep State and politicians fomenting all the fear, paranoia, and panic – they are in cahoots with one another, not against! Even Fox is, at best, controlled opposition. Sure they’re against Trump, but not “the government,” and even he hasn’t been able to control the real Deep State and PMCs. The idea that the major media is some oppositional force countering government narratives is ridiculous. True opposition media generally gets de-platformed these days – or at least seriously harassed, threatened, and pushed to the margins if allowed to continue at all. Half the major media figures you see on the big US networks are married or otherwise related to political figures (or used to be themselves) or Deep State operatives (or in the case of CIA plants like Anderson Cooper were/are just directly a part of it).
“There is no conspiracy. There’s a lot of opportunism, high emotion and nastiness, too. To say it is a conspiracy is to award your enemies with way more ability than they are actually capable” Did you read anything, I wrote? I agreed it’s not a “conspiracy theory” because it’s out in the open. Here’s a deep dive into Klaus Schwab, architect of the Great Reset, but sure, go ahead and gaslight everyone like the NYT, bury your head in the sand, pretend there is nothing there to see here: https://winteroak.org.uk/2020/10/05/klaus-schwab-and-his-great-fascist-reset/amp/
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