Charlottesviille Open Thread

I was cloistered all yesterday, so I missed everything. I’ll let you tell me what happened. Notable tweets.

Anybody know why the driver did it?

Update An interesting take. See also the USA Coup series.

35 Comments

  1. The city set the protestors up in numerous ways, and should be easily sued, if there is still such a thing ax a fair trial (doubtful). I was watching multiple live streams of the event by the alt-righters right at the front lines. It amazes me that the Left is lying about thimgs that are easily dispelled by video evidence. The rallyers gave no indication of violent intent the morning of the protest, they were calm, happy, marched very innocently. Antifa showed up and caused a minor kerfuffle with pepper spray, the city illegally proclaimed it an unlawful assembly, and forced Alt-Righters out by paths where Antifa were assembled to harass them. The Alt-Righters were threatened with arrest no matter whither they retreated, and BLM, Antifa, etc. hounded them. The press, including Fox, in one of the most Orwellian and obviously coordinated propaganda putsches I’ve ever seen, universally blamed the violence only on “White Supremists” (which none of them are; And even if “White Nationalist” is technically accurate for most, they are nothing like the past connotations of that term). It would be more accurate to say that the climate of violence, and all the initial violence, was the result of coordinaation between far-left city/state government and far-left shock troops.

    The car crash and the chopper crash are both odd and shrouded in conflicting reports. I’m sure the Official Story will wind up being whatever can best be spun against the Alt-Right.

  2. Liberal governor declared a state of emergency and ordered out the national guard. Who apparently didn’t show up.

    Liberal city manager (not mayor) declared state of emergency, yet did not order the police to intervene.

    Police stayed back, allowing the communists/fascists who claim to be anti-fascists (ctrl-left) to blatantly harass and attack the lawful, peaceful protesters (alt-right). The police then declared the entire mob an ‘unlawful assembly’, and ordered everyone to disperse, before the planned speakers had a chance to say a word. alt-right organized then got on bullhorns and twitter to recommend that everybody go home, to avoid escalating violence.

    Note that alt-right arrived armed with shields and pepper spray because of numerous prior incidents this year when alt-right rallies were attacked by armed ctrl-leftists. Notice the media accounts only describing the lawfully assembled (and permitted) alt-right as being ‘heavily armed’, while ignoring the ctrl-left prepared violence.

    Please note that the alt-right is uniformly derided as “white supremacists”, and the ctrl-left lauded as “anti-racists” in the media accounts, who make it sound as if the alt-right started the fights.

    Some jerkwad rammed a car into a crowd of ctrl-left thugs, with obvious intent to kill and main. Please note the visible communist and black lives matter signs. So far, one dead, numerous (I’ve seen as high as 19) injured.

    DOJ and FBI are looking for excuses to file civil rights charges against the driver, and against any alt-right marchers who can be identified as defending themselves against the ctrl-left “counter-protesting” attackers.

    Please note, again, that the numerous police in the vicinity did nothing to prevent or contain the violence, showing either gross incompetence or orders to passively/covertly aid the ctrl-left. They allowed the rally to be attacked and descend into mob violence so that they could then declare everyone present to be an “unlawful assembly”.

  3. If you don’t hear about why he has done it, changes are the reason why doesn’t fit the frame. A recurring pattern, really, easier to spot with lots of jihadist attacks and the occasional accident.

  4. So the Dems order police to stand down and wait for Antifa to instigate violence so that the police can move in and shut down a permitted assembly. Sounds an awful lot like what the Nazis did to Poland. Same tactic.

  5. Well Ye Olde you’ve already capitulated because you actually give a flip what name they call you. You play into their hands.

    And besides, nazi is in the eye of the beholder. For me the most vicious nazis around are the nitwits running academia. You know, the authors of bs control tactics like “white privilege” and “microagressions.” They like to go by the name “liberals” or “progressives.” And of course we can’t forget their “antifa” brown shirts. How’s that nickname for a fine example of leftist projection?

    They twitter guy was right. They’ll call you nazi, or whatever else, no matter what you do. Step 1 is not letting the alynskiite slanders matter to you one fig. They have no plan B, after all.

  6. Amazing that even the Aussie press is jumping on the “Trump didn’t specifically condemn the ‘white supremecists'” bandwagon. Yes, a white identity type mowed down protesters of the opposite camp, killing at one at the time of writing. Never mind the leftist that shot a bunch of Republicans not too long ago, or BLMers who constantly chant for death to all cops (including one chap who enacted this) etc etc etc. Meanwhile many, many black lives were extinguiished over the weekend in lovely inner cities such as Chicago and Detroit, by people of similar skin tones. But yes, one lone white whacko must be focused on at all costs!

    Does the left even begin to understand that it has sown the seeds of its own destruction through all the post modernist BS? Is anyone sane even vaguely surprised that the far right is starting to kick back?

    The media is as much to blame for stirring this frenzy endlessly. I would say it is time for them to embrace “Don’t be evil” but given Goolag’s recent treatment of an employee who dared to suggest men and women might differ somewhat… yeah the world has gone mad. Time to invert the political etch-a-sketch and give it a good shake.

  7. The bottom tweet reminds me of this paragraph which I once read quoted on this very blog:

    “Today, if you support freedom of speech and the right to peaceably assemble, you are a nazi. So, what the hell, you had better ally and organize with actual unironic nazis. George Soros is a Jew, and he is providing your enemies with military grade pepper spray and restricted explosives, so if the Nazis say “the Jews” are doing this, why split hairs with them?”

    From “Jim’s Blog” and featured in Campus Idiocy Roundup II.

  8. And besides, nazi is in the eye of the beholder.

    I would think that waving around the flag of the Third Reich is actually an objective indicator. If nothing else, it reveals a profound ignorance of history. Nazismus preached the superiority of the German Volk, which gave it less appeal to anyone non-German. And given that “Aryans” were the nobility, I doubt that any of those waving the flags qualified.

    It would be more accurate to call the intellectualoids “fascist” rather than “Nazi.” Fascism was international, not national. This led to the curious practice of the Third Reich of suppressing national socialist movements in countries they conquered or dominated while encouraging fascist movements there.

  9. Concerning the interesting take link:

    I am white and gosh why are the American whites such cry babies?

    No one is stealing anything from you.your forefathers fought hard to achieve what you have (or had); fought to the point that you think that you have a right to it without working for it. There is little difference between you and ISIS you are even stealing there idea so lazy you are.

  10. I don’t remember having seen anyone with China’s flag, or Mao’s army flag.

    Nazi flag were visible in the crowd

  11. “Bulldust
    June 16, 2017 at 1:55 am
    Does this mean the pool is now closed?

    http://wmbriggs.com/post/21547/

    7:1 odds too … nice pay out >.<"

    Last month when the congressman was shot you reply this.

    Maybe you should have a look at this to know who are the most successful killer:

    https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/assets/pdf/combating-hate/Murder-and-Extremism-in-the-United-States-in-2015-web.pdf

    The Right is a lot better at killing people. According to table 2: 87% for the Right to 1% for the left. The Muslims are responsible for 13%. This is why police should fear a lot more white supremacist, than anyone else.

  12. Dav,

    Regarding Ann Coulter:

    “This has been universally labeled “terrorism,” but we still don’t know whether Fields hit the gas accidentally, was in fear for his life or if he rammed the group intentionally and maliciously.”

    She is actually taking the defense a murderous bastard that should be hanged is balls. This is terrorism, it is not different than ISIS. If he had been black he would have been shot dead on the spot.

    In the US a black only need to allegedly steal cigarillos, sell single cigarettes, or tell the officer that he has a legally obtain firearm in is car to be sentence to death. Fields is in prison he is not dead.

    She mentioned the Dallas shooting of the police officers. Yet omitted the numerous shooting by neo-Nazis, white supremacist or sovereign citizen, like the one in Las Vegas following the Cliven Bundy’s stand-off.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/vegas-cop-killers/two-cops-three-others-killed-las-vegas-shooting-spree-n125766

    Here a list she could have used to balance her story, which does not include Timothy McVeigh:

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/06/18/white_extremist_murders_killed_at_least_60_in_u_s_since_1995.html

    She then mentions the GOP baseball shooting. Which all liberal media I saw strongly condemn. Yet no reference to the Gaby Gifford shooting by a white supremacist, which cause 6 deaths.

    Etc.

  13. “we still don’t know whether Fields….”
    She is actually taking the defense a murderous bastard that should be hanged is balls.

    Last time I checked, “we don’t know” is not a defense but a statement of lack of knowledge that you apparently claim to have. Clearly, she is far less arrogant than you.

    Her main point, which you arduously avoided, is that the Left is also quite violent and more so than the Right. You also avoided the list of 28 violent protests by the Left in the last six years as detailed in the Federalist link and had to reach back to 1995 (22 years) for the McVeigh example — an example that involved only one person not a mob. The same for the Gifford shooting.

    Since you want to keep score: the Left engages in mob violence and calls for anarchy (like killing police) making it a far larger danger. Setting fires and destroying property because you don’t like an invited speaker or because you don’t like an election result. Did you miss the link to the brick throwers at the Inauguration? Bricks can be lethal, too. That they haven’t so far is dumb luck. You’re OK with all of that apparently. What sick putz you are.

  14. It’s time to go back to a better era: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hchnB88aKnk

    As a recent National Review article has said:

    Preventing a crowd from becoming a mob is not easy, but it is simple: The responsible authorities must be fully prepared to move in, arrest, and punish criminals — all the criminals — the moment they cross the line into violent or otherwise unlawful conduct, and to do so without regard for fear, favor, or politics.

    I think the country, on all sides of our many divides, is waiting for a governor who has the strength of character to act. Fifty years ago, in California, there was a leader who knew his duty and did it. [ a reference to the linked video]</blockquote

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/450560/violent-protesters-should-go-jail.

  15. the Gaby Gifford shooting by a white supremacist, which cause 6 deaths.

    That is not the case.

    Be careful of believing your own propaganda. That is more foolish than believing your opponents’ propaganda.

    It is intriguing however that when a man hollering “Allahu Akbar!” shoots down a bunch of people at Ft. Hood, it takes the govt six years to decide he was motivated by radical Islam, and the shooting was classified at first as “workplace violence.” Yet, in the recent instance, everyone “knows” immediately what the motives were and cannot so much as entertain another possibility.

  16. the McVeigh example — an example that involved only one person not a mob.

    Two people, plus whoever they consulted with at the motel in Kansas and whoever Nichols met with during a trip to the Philippines. My brother covered the story for the Rocky Mountain News, and there were some things never verified sufficiently for the newspaper to publish.

  17. Dav,

    ”Last time I checked, “we don’t know” is not a defense but a statement of lack of knowledge that you apparently claim to have. Clearly, she is far less arrogant than you.”

    Only idiots (or person of very bad faith) don’t know is motive.

    In the USA why is it always the guy with the gun or the weapon (in this case a car) who’s afraid for his life?

    ”Her main point, which you arduously avoided, is that the Left is also quite violent and more so than the Right.”

    And in doing so she tries to justify the violence from the right.

    ”You also avoided the list of 28 violent protests by the Left in the last six years as detailed in the Federalist”

    How many death were caused by those violent protest? How many cities with sports team who wins championships have to go through violent protest?

    Those protests were mainly cause by the unjustified killing of unarmed black men and the lack of justice surrounding these actions.

    Violent protest are rarely caused by the organizer. Most violence comes from anarchist like the black bloc (the picture you linked to above) which are outsider to any group and denounced by the left and almost everyone.

    I have not seen much picture where the Charlotteville demonstrator were not ready for the fight.

    http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170812141335-25-charlottesville-white-nationalist-protest-0812-large-169.jpg

    Who is ready for the fight in this one:

    http://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2017_32/2117836/170812-unite-the-right-rally-113p-rs_b7cee658a77271b027a95a05de0d2f84.nbcnews-ux-2880-1000.jpg

    Not many are looking like peaceful protester:

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR4AkrbjsPZmuPD0mTlW7q5bVx0nOCYaJV7uKglG4kB0Fz7xrnB

    History teaches us how great it was to let the original Nazi growing stronger in the late 1920s. The neo-nazis and white supremacist of today are not different. If they thought they could get away with it they would kill anyone standing on their way. There was no peaceful solution with Hitler, there is no peaceful solution with them. appeasement didn’t work then, it won’t work now. After all Briggs admit that the war is started. and Nazis will lose again.

  18. Wow! You certainly don’t think much as you’ve said before.
    Here are some examples:

    How many cities with sports team who wins championships have to go through violent protest?

    A city with a a winning team championship would violently erupt in protest? Really? Maybe in Canada. My guess is zero.

    And in doing so [Anne Coulter] tries to justify the violence from the right.
    Pointing out that violence from the left is being given a free pass somehow justifies violence from the right?

    She said:

    Apparently, as long as violent leftists label their victims “fascists,” they are free to set fires, smash windows and beat civilians bloody. No police officer will stop them. They have carte blanche to physically assault anyone they disapprove of

    And then you said: Those protests were mainly cause by the unjustified killing of unarmed black men and the lack of justice surrounding these actions.

    A real non-sequitur as it followed the winning team sentence. Winning team protests are caused by unjustified killings? Say what?

    Or perhaps “those” was a reference to the “28 violent protests by the Left”. At least one of which was at a G20 Summit meeting. Two were violence attending scheduled speeches. How they have anything to do with unjustified killings is beyond me.Even if by some strange reason they were caused by an unjustified killing, you made Anne’s point by providing justification for the violence.

    Only idiots (or person of very bad faith) don’t know is motive.
    Assuming that wasn’t just babble but “is” was meant to be “his”: only a mind reader can know his motive — the rest of us can only guess. Well, the non-arrogant us anyway.

    How many death were caused by those violent protest?
    So, violence is justified as long as no one dies?
    Hitting someone in the head with a club, bicycle lock or brick can’t be fatal?
    Just listen to yourself!


    I’m going to stop there and charitably assume you are working out the rough edges of your stand-up comedy act. You’ve a long way to go. Don’t quit your day job.

  19. Dav,

    Not surprise you quit considering you don’t have a single argument.

    “A city with a a winning team championship would violently erupt in protest? Really? Maybe in Canada. My guess is zero.”

    Replace protester by riots and you’ll get it:

    http://www.thesportster.com/entertainment/top-15-deadliest-sports-riots-of-all-time/

    http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/gallery/notable-sports-riots-gallery-040212

    An exception was Vancouver where the riot happened after they lost.

    “Pointing out that violence from the left is being given a free pass somehow justifies violence from the right?”

    Where have they got a free pass?

    In Berkley, there were over 20 arrests, and minor injuries.

    In Charlotteville, 3 arrests, 1 dead, dozens severely injured by the car and through severe beating at 4-5 on 1.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/white-supremacist-rallies-in-charlottesville-virginia/

    Look at the pictures the people that are armed are the neo nazy, white supremacist. The only way to cure this disease is to kill them all like it happened in Germany and did not happen during the Civil War.

    The blacks riots and you have military vehicle on to face them. The white supremacist riots the cops are nowhere, letting them free to physically abuse those that verbally oppose them.

    How come you are unable to show any leftist armed at that riot. The picture you linked are from other riot around the world mainly G20.

    ” only a mind reader can know his motive — the rest of us can only guess. Well, the non-arrogant us anyway.”

    Yet you have no difficulty attributing motive to the left????

    ”Hitting someone in the head with a club, bicycle lock or brick can’t be fatal?”

    Your realize that this is what your friend the neo-nazi did in Charlotteville. The only good neo-nazi, are the dead one.

    Like Briggs said the war has begun and you guys will lose. You are only beginning to show your true nature.

    BTW, have you noticed that the Pentagon does not listen to the Trump. Where is the transgender ban? Nowhere.

  20. Your realize that this is what your friend the neo-nazi did in Charlotteville
    My friend? You’re being a jackass yet again.
    You are the only one here condoning and making excuses for violence.
    I pointed this out but you merely let it bounce off.

    bicycle lock: Who was the wielder and who got hit?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qKCl9NL1Cg

    you are unable to show any leftist armed at that riot. The picture you linked are from other riot around the world mainly G20.
    Nice try but Wrong! The Anne Coulter link had an armed leftist in Charlottesville at the top. Clearly labeled to boot. In fact, I didn’t link to any G20 pictures.

    So, being unarmed, they were trounced by the other side? It was a one-sided riot?
    And you claim to be informed? Get real.

    Tucker’s take on Charlottesville:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DxQ7gUl6zg

    The police mostly watched then drove the two sides together. Better TV and fuel for political grandstanding, I suppose.

    The blacks riots and you have military vehicle on to face them.
    You are living in a different world than me. In Baltimore, for example, there was rioting in the streets while the police watched just as in Charlottesville. And when the police actually do act, lefties squeal things like you just did.

    Which leads to: Where have they got a free pass?
    Seriously? You yourself just said that rioting is OK. The following is becoming quite common:
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/11/berkeley-mayor-calls-antifa-linked-activists-arrest-unacceptable-amid-racial-profiling-claims/

    Not surprise you quit considering you don’t have a single argument.
    I made my argument. In response, you ramble incoherently while saying inane things such as who my friends are. Time to stop.

  21. Do you believe it is a good thing that Hitler’s was defeated?

    I invoke Godwin’s Law.

    Why do people of your ideology assume that anyone who disagrees with you must therefore support Hitler? National socialism is no better than international socialism. It’s still socialism, even when Mussolini’s syndicates are renamed “health care alliances.”

  22. YOS,

    ”Why do people of your ideology assume that anyone who disagrees with you must therefore support Hitler? ”

    Wouldn’t it have been a good thing that people confronted Hitler and his thugs long before he had any kind of following.

    WW2 could have been avoided by action in the 1920s against racism and education. But back then the eugenic ideology was highly accepted, enough that the USA and Canada sentence to death thousands of people by turning back the boat they used to flee Germany.

    On Friday the protester, were chanting Nazi (German) slogan like ”blood and soil”, ”Jew will not replace us”, while holding Nazis Germany flag. How naive one would have to be that these people are pacifist or non violent.

    Who has weapon? Who is violent?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bCV3IPKakE

    Look at 5:52, who are the violent one, who has weapon.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TWCEV5U09c

  23. Whether Hitler was a bad guy is not a question. Whether things would have been better if he had been stopped earlier is not a question. (At least for those who know beyond doubt how things might have proceeded absent Hitler. Such omniscience is to be treasured.) No, the issue before us is the weird tendency to assume that one’s critics support Hitler.

    A few historical points:
    1) In the 1930s, no one yet knew that Hitler was “Hitler!”™
    2) The National Socialists gained popularity from programs like “Winter Aid.” which delivered food and coal to cold and hungry people in Bavaria and the south of Germany. Like the Black Panthers, they were perceived as helping the poor.
    3) There was a peculiar tendency among Germans to ascribe the bad deeds (like the Kreuzerkampf against crucifixes in the schools) to local officials and Gauleiters. A common plaint among Germans was “If only the Leader knew…” [that such and such is going on]!
    4) The popularity hinged on the belief that Germany had gotten a raw deal at Versailles, with the consequent hyperinflation and poverty and the loss of some of Germany’s most important territories.
    5) Germany came out of the Great Depression well before Britain, France, the USA, and Hitler received much of the credit for this, deserved or not.
    6) The rearmament of Germany began under the Weimar Republic, not the Third Reich.
    7) Hitler does not exhaust the set of would-be authoritarians eager to restore German greatness. There was Kapp, Streicher, Ludendorff, and others. There was also the Red Terror in the Bavarian Soviet which, since Jews were prominent among the communist leadership there, seemed to bolster the stab-in-the-back theory. (Actual Jewish service records for WW1 belie this myth.)
    8) There were several anti-Hitler coups planned, all of which failed. The Oster Conspiracy of 1938 had support from the Abwehr, the Wehrmacht, the old aristocracy, ex-Weimar officials, and the Pope (acting as go-between with the British). Had Chamberlain not announced on the very day of the putsch, that he would go to Munich, it might have worked.

    If only history were as simple as the fabulists imagine.

    References
    Ian Kershaw, The ‘Hitler Myth’
    John Lukacs, The Hitler of History
    Richard J. Evans, The Third Reich in Power

  24. YOS,

    1) In the 1930s, no one yet knew that Hitler was “Hitler!”™

    Some people knew. See:
    Carley, Michael: “1939”

    Litvinov worked really hard to no avail in trying to get France and UK to confront Hitler and prepare for war.

    “2) The National Socialists gained popularity from programs like “Winter Aid.” which delivered food and coal to cold and hungry people in Bavaria and the south of Germany. Like the Black Panthers, they were perceived as helping the poor.”

    They helped only the people they wanted to help, also made sure no one else would help those people so they would get the credit.

    By the way, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are using the same tactic in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    “4) The popularity hinged on the belief that Germany had gotten a raw deal at Versailles, with the consequent hyperinflation and poverty and the loss of some of Germany’s most important territories.”

    The military class was not destroyed at the end of the WW1, just like the slaver class in the USA was not destroyed at the end of the Civil War. By the end of WW2, there were nothing or very little left of the old German military class.

    Pershing was right they should not have stopped at the German border.

    “5) Germany came out of the Great Depression well before Britain, France, the USA, and Hitler received much of the credit for this, deserved or not.”

    Yes they did and even Churchill admired Hitler for it. They started by spending money in research and manufacturing. He inspired by creating an alternate reality, recently called alternative fact, through propaganda (something conservatives are really good at).

    Since when does a country celebrate traitors which confederate were? History was rewritten when Robert E. Lee and others became heroes. They were traitor.

    You need a charismatic figure, or someone that tells people what they want to hear. Trump is doing just that in the USA. Which gives a lot of clout to white supremacist to get out in public and to thank him. They are not afraid to give interview about how violent they want to be.

    You wish to appease the white supremacist, if you are not one, in defending them you are an accomplice.

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