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	<title>Comments on: At least they&#8217;re admitting it</title>
	<link>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/07/04/at-least-theyre-admitting-it/</link>
	<description>"All manner of statistical analyses cheerfully undertaken."</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: RobP</title>
		<link>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/07/04/at-least-theyre-admitting-it/#comment-7368</link>
		<dc:creator>RobP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/07/04/at-least-theyre-admitting-it/#comment-7368</guid>
		<description>PaddkJ
"At last, Nature makes no bones about what kind of rag it is. Let?s all applaud this quantum leap in self-awareness."

If by quantum you mean the smallest measurable change, then you are quite correct.

Sorry for being pedantic, but in this case I think you have been more correct than you thought! 

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PaddkJ<br />
&#8220;At last, Nature makes no bones about what kind of rag it is. Let?s all applaud this quantum leap in self-awareness.&#8221;</p>
<p>If by quantum you mean the smallest measurable change, then you are quite correct.</p>
<p>Sorry for being pedantic, but in this case I think you have been more correct than you thought! </p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Davidson</title>
		<link>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/07/04/at-least-theyre-admitting-it/#comment-7367</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/07/04/at-least-theyre-admitting-it/#comment-7367</guid>
		<description>I have seen this technique of "applied grantsmanship" used for over 20 years.  I first recall it in the 1980's with the use of the "ozone hole" to ring alarm bells for attracting research funding into CFC alternatives (about the time the original Freon patents were due to expire).  Now we see gratuitous references to "global warming" and "climate change" inserted ad hoc into otherwise responsible but uninteresting research papers. "Saving the world" has become a much sexier selling point for all kinds of research than any of the old ideas such as curing cancer, losing weight, or protecting endangered species, because it seems to be applicable to any research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen this technique of &#8220;applied grantsmanship&#8221; used for over 20 years.  I first recall it in the 1980&#8217;s with the use of the &#8220;ozone hole&#8221; to ring alarm bells for attracting research funding into CFC alternatives (about the time the original Freon patents were due to expire).  Now we see gratuitous references to &#8220;global warming&#8221; and &#8220;climate change&#8221; inserted ad hoc into otherwise responsible but uninteresting research papers. &#8220;Saving the world&#8221; has become a much sexier selling point for all kinds of research than any of the old ideas such as curing cancer, losing weight, or protecting endangered species, because it seems to be applicable to any research.</p>
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		<title>By: harold</title>
		<link>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/07/04/at-least-theyre-admitting-it/#comment-7353</link>
		<dc:creator>harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/07/04/at-least-theyre-admitting-it/#comment-7353</guid>
		<description>Nature News also interferes in disputes within scientific institutions.
Neuroscientist: my data published without authorization are 'misleading'
"The director of a top laboratory in Germany has charged that two of his former research students took data from his laboratory without his permission and published scientifically incorrect interpretations of them against his advice.
Neuroscientist Nikos Logothetis (pictured), of the Max Planck Institute for Biological Cybernetics in T?bingen, further claims that the journal involved, Human Brain Mapping, acted incorrectly by publishing the paper after he told them the data were inappropriate." 
I do not have access to the article, but  a quote from the comments gives a different slant on the case.
"Although he agreed at first, Logothetis withdrew his permission when he realized that the data [...] were being used to support a theory about spontaneous brain activity."
A scientific dispute becomes  administative/political and Nature weighs in (with a one sided view).

http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080702/full/454006a.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nature News also interferes in disputes within scientific institutions.<br />
Neuroscientist: my data published without authorization are &#8216;misleading&#8217;<br />
&#8220;The director of a top laboratory in Germany has charged that two of his former research students took data from his laboratory without his permission and published scientifically incorrect interpretations of them against his advice.<br />
Neuroscientist Nikos Logothetis (pictured), of the Max Planck Institute for Biological Cybernetics in T?bingen, further claims that the journal involved, Human Brain Mapping, acted incorrectly by publishing the paper after he told them the data were inappropriate.&#8221;<br />
I do not have access to the article, but  a quote from the comments gives a different slant on the case.<br />
&#8220;Although he agreed at first, Logothetis withdrew his permission when he realized that the data [&#8230;] were being used to support a theory about spontaneous brain activity.&#8221;<br />
A scientific dispute becomes  administative/political and Nature weighs in (with a one sided view).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080702/full/454006a.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080702/full/454006a.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/07/04/at-least-theyre-admitting-it/#comment-7352</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/07/04/at-least-theyre-admitting-it/#comment-7352</guid>
		<description>Nothing new in that. 

"To capture the public imagination, we have to offer up some scary scenarios,
make simplified dramatic statements and little mention of any doubts one might have.
Each of us has to decide the right balance between being effective, and being honest." 
(Dr. Stephen Schneider, NCAR, in interview for "Discover" magazine, Oct 1989)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing new in that. </p>
<p>&#8220;To capture the public imagination, we have to offer up some scary scenarios,<br />
make simplified dramatic statements and little mention of any doubts one might have.<br />
Each of us has to decide the right balance between being effective, and being honest.&#8221;<br />
(Dr. Stephen Schneider, NCAR, in interview for &#8220;Discover&#8221; magazine, Oct 1989)</p>
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		<title>By: PaddkJ</title>
		<link>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/07/04/at-least-theyre-admitting-it/#comment-7345</link>
		<dc:creator>PaddkJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/07/04/at-least-theyre-admitting-it/#comment-7345</guid>
		<description>At last, Nature makes no bones about what kind of rag it is.  Let's all applaud this quantum leap in self-awareness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At last, Nature makes no bones about what kind of rag it is.  Let&#8217;s all applaud this quantum leap in self-awareness.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/07/04/at-least-theyre-admitting-it/#comment-7343</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/07/04/at-least-theyre-admitting-it/#comment-7343</guid>
		<description>That's too bad - the world need a spinmeister who understands Bayesian statisitics.  
 I was pointed to the Oreskes video by Michael Tobis in response to a query as to why some believe that skeptics are all part of a huge conspiracy.  It is a video on You-tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T4UF_Rmlio&#38;eurl=http://www.uctv.tv/search-details.asp?showID=13459</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s too bad - the world need a spinmeister who understands Bayesian statisitics.<br />
 I was pointed to the Oreskes video by Michael Tobis in response to a query as to why some believe that skeptics are all part of a huge conspiracy.  It is a video on You-tube: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T4UF_Rmlio&amp;eurl=http://www.uctv.tv/search-details.asp?showID=13459" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T4UF_Rmlio&amp;eurl=http://www.uctv.tv/search-details.asp?showID=13459</a></p>
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		<title>By: Briggs</title>
		<link>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/07/04/at-least-theyre-admitting-it/#comment-7342</link>
		<dc:creator>Briggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/07/04/at-least-theyre-admitting-it/#comment-7342</guid>
		<description>Not me, Bernie.  I stole all those quotes right from the magazine article, which openly boasted of the practice.

Naomi Oreskes's presentation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not me, Bernie.  I stole all those quotes right from the magazine article, which openly boasted of the practice.</p>
<p>Naomi Oreskes&#8217;s presentation?</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/07/04/at-least-theyre-admitting-it/#comment-7341</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/07/04/at-least-theyre-admitting-it/#comment-7341</guid>
		<description>Matt:
It looks like you have a career as a spinmeister if you ever get bored with plain ol' numbers.
Speaking of spinmeisters do you have a take on Naomi Oreskes' presentation, The American Denial of Global Warming?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt:<br />
It looks like you have a career as a spinmeister if you ever get bored with plain ol&#8217; numbers.<br />
Speaking of spinmeisters do you have a take on Naomi Oreskes&#8217; presentation, The American Denial of Global Warming?</p>
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		<title>By: benpal</title>
		<link>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/07/04/at-least-theyre-admitting-it/#comment-7340</link>
		<dc:creator>benpal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/07/04/at-least-theyre-admitting-it/#comment-7340</guid>
		<description>Sorry to say, in some scientific circles this trick is already well known and abundantly used. 
Science by press release.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to say, in some scientific circles this trick is already well known and abundantly used.<br />
Science by press release.</p>
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