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	<title>Comments on: CRITICAL ASSESSMENT OF CLIMATE CHANGE PREDICTIONS FROM A SCIENTIFIC PERSPECTIVE</title>
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		<title>By: TCO</title>
		<link>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/03/14/critical-assessment-of-climate-change-predictions-from-a-scientific-perspective/#comment-4795</link>
		<dc:creator>TCO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 00:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm ignorant about Bayesianism...and I dislike the segues to philosophy.  What I like about Bayesianism is that they want to do bets.  However, if I'm at the roulette wheel, my prior is that the numbers will come up the way a frequentist would beleive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m ignorant about Bayesianism&#8230;and I dislike the segues to philosophy.  What I like about Bayesianism is that they want to do bets.  However, if I&#8217;m at the roulette wheel, my prior is that the numbers will come up the way a frequentist would beleive.</p>
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		<title>By: Briggs</title>
		<link>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/03/14/critical-assessment-of-climate-change-predictions-from-a-scientific-perspective/#comment-1395</link>
		<dc:creator>Briggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

It's my belief that everybody's a Bayesian, but not all admit it.  Yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s my belief that everybody&#8217;s a Bayesian, but not all admit it.  Yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike D.</title>
		<link>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/03/14/critical-assessment-of-climate-change-predictions-from-a-scientific-perspective/#comment-1382</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/03/14/critical-assessment-of-climate-change-predictions-from-a-scientific-perspective/#comment-1382</guid>
		<description>Ahem, allow me to drop some names. As an undergrad at Berkeley I took Introduction to Statistics from Henry Scheff?. David B. Duncan was a friend of my parents. I was fortunate enough to receive personal lectures from both great statisticians (now deceased), partially dumbed down to my level.

Their shared interest was compound uncertainty (although they did not entirely agree on the proper stat treatment of compound uncertainty problems). Compound uncertainty may be roughly defined as the increased chance of making at least one mistake when drawing more than one direct inference, for instance when many distributions (or statistical tests) are considered simultaneously.

Scheff? and others (like John Tukey) considered Duncan's treatment too "liberal" because it fails to suppress enough Type I errors (false positives), meaning it fails to reject the null hypothesis when the null hypothesis is true. Duncan's point of view might be crudely summarized as the null hypothesis is never really true, the accused is never really innocent, two phenomena are never really the same, you really are pregnant, despite the statistical significance of the test.

Both Scheff? and Duncan eventually became Bayesians. Bayesians conjecture that belief systems exist prior to collecting the data, and that those a priori beliefs influence the posterior probabilities that result from data analysis. Another way to say this is that Bayesians reduce the uncertainty through their a priori confidence in their (mystical?) predictive powers.

I think we are all Bayesians to some degree. We "know" what's going to happen, or feel like we do. You need some Bayesian confidence just to get out of bed each day and give it another try.

Alan Watts, on the other hand, (who was not a statistician), preached the wisdom of insecurity. He held that we don't know shinola about the future, and that's what makes existence a wonderful adventure.

I hope all that helps, although I can see how it might not. Here's another way to look at it: uncertainty aggregates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahem, allow me to drop some names. As an undergrad at Berkeley I took Introduction to Statistics from Henry Scheff?. David B. Duncan was a friend of my parents. I was fortunate enough to receive personal lectures from both great statisticians (now deceased), partially dumbed down to my level.</p>
<p>Their shared interest was compound uncertainty (although they did not entirely agree on the proper stat treatment of compound uncertainty problems). Compound uncertainty may be roughly defined as the increased chance of making at least one mistake when drawing more than one direct inference, for instance when many distributions (or statistical tests) are considered simultaneously.</p>
<p>Scheff? and others (like John Tukey) considered Duncan&#8217;s treatment too &#8220;liberal&#8221; because it fails to suppress enough Type I errors (false positives), meaning it fails to reject the null hypothesis when the null hypothesis is true. Duncan&#8217;s point of view might be crudely summarized as the null hypothesis is never really true, the accused is never really innocent, two phenomena are never really the same, you really are pregnant, despite the statistical significance of the test.</p>
<p>Both Scheff? and Duncan eventually became Bayesians. Bayesians conjecture that belief systems exist prior to collecting the data, and that those a priori beliefs influence the posterior probabilities that result from data analysis. Another way to say this is that Bayesians reduce the uncertainty through their a priori confidence in their (mystical?) predictive powers.</p>
<p>I think we are all Bayesians to some degree. We &#8220;know&#8221; what&#8217;s going to happen, or feel like we do. You need some Bayesian confidence just to get out of bed each day and give it another try.</p>
<p>Alan Watts, on the other hand, (who was not a statistician), preached the wisdom of insecurity. He held that we don&#8217;t know shinola about the future, and that&#8217;s what makes existence a wonderful adventure.</p>
<p>I hope all that helps, although I can see how it might not. Here&#8217;s another way to look at it: uncertainty aggregates.</p>
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		<title>By: Briggs</title>
		<link>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/03/14/critical-assessment-of-climate-change-predictions-from-a-scientific-perspective/#comment-1363</link>
		<dc:creator>Briggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/03/14/critical-assessment-of-climate-change-predictions-from-a-scientific-perspective/#comment-1363</guid>
		<description>Tony,

Here is my stock statement on AGW
&lt;blockquote&gt;
It is trivially true that man---and every other organism---influences his environment and therefore his climate.  It is only a question of &lt;em&gt; how much&lt;/em&gt; and to what extent, if any, AGW is harmful or beneficial, and to what extent its harmful effects can be mitigated, or its benefits exploited.  We are not interested in trifles: AGW means discernible, large-scale important effects on climate.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I am trying to understand, or offer a framework for, quantifying the uncertainty of the entire process: how uncertain are our observations, explanations of observations, predictions of new ones, and the effects supposedly caused by AGW.

Briggs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony,</p>
<p>Here is my stock statement on AGW</p>
<blockquote><p>
It is trivially true that man&#8212;and every other organism&#8212;influences his environment and therefore his climate.  It is only a question of <em> how much</em> and to what extent, if any, AGW is harmful or beneficial, and to what extent its harmful effects can be mitigated, or its benefits exploited.  We are not interested in trifles: AGW means discernible, large-scale important effects on climate.
</p></blockquote>
<p>I am trying to understand, or offer a framework for, quantifying the uncertainty of the entire process: how uncertain are our observations, explanations of observations, predictions of new ones, and the effects supposedly caused by AGW.</p>
<p>Briggs</p>
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		<title>By: Mike D.</title>
		<link>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/03/14/critical-assessment-of-climate-change-predictions-from-a-scientific-perspective/#comment-1359</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 03:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking as a forester and naturalist, I hold that warmer is better. That is, the effects of GW, should it happen, are likely to be beneficial in the main: longer growing seasons, more biological productivity, more natural wealth creation, less reliance on fuels for heating, more biodiversity, etc. 

At one time (the Eocene) there were boreal tropical forests and many more species than exist today. Indeed, for 99% of the past 300 million years, the Earth has been warmer overall than today. Warmer is the normative condition, if one takes enough paleo-history into account.

It is in nature of Man that change is held to be bad, precisely because the future is uncertain. Uncertainty itself is held to be a negative. But the mere fact that the future is uncertain does not imply (much less guarantee) that it will be bad.

Many have expended enormous effort in predicting the terrible consequences of climate change. Few have spent much time making optimistic predictions. However, the future is what we make of it, whatever it might be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as a forester and naturalist, I hold that warmer is better. That is, the effects of GW, should it happen, are likely to be beneficial in the main: longer growing seasons, more biological productivity, more natural wealth creation, less reliance on fuels for heating, more biodiversity, etc. </p>
<p>At one time (the Eocene) there were boreal tropical forests and many more species than exist today. Indeed, for 99% of the past 300 million years, the Earth has been warmer overall than today. Warmer is the normative condition, if one takes enough paleo-history into account.</p>
<p>It is in nature of Man that change is held to be bad, precisely because the future is uncertain. Uncertainty itself is held to be a negative. But the mere fact that the future is uncertain does not imply (much less guarantee) that it will be bad.</p>
<p>Many have expended enormous effort in predicting the terrible consequences of climate change. Few have spent much time making optimistic predictions. However, the future is what we make of it, whatever it might be.</p>
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		<title>By: OregonGuy</title>
		<link>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/03/14/critical-assessment-of-climate-change-predictions-from-a-scientific-perspective/#comment-1358</link>
		<dc:creator>OregonGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try "Hey, Guyo!"

Usually works.

I asked a friend of mine for his opinion on the role of uncertainty a couple of weeks ago. He was at CERN when he got my e-mail. Probably forgotten by now.  I'll have to re-write him. Since his current focus is on strings, the role that uncertainty plays in modeling is something that he has to take into consideration on a daily basis. Something I wish more modelers would do. The most irritating feature of the current debate is the certainty expressed, and criticism supressed. 

It just doesn't make sense to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try &#8220;Hey, Guyo!&#8221;</p>
<p>Usually works.</p>
<p>I asked a friend of mine for his opinion on the role of uncertainty a couple of weeks ago. He was at CERN when he got my e-mail. Probably forgotten by now.  I&#8217;ll have to re-write him. Since his current focus is on strings, the role that uncertainty plays in modeling is something that he has to take into consideration on a daily basis. Something I wish more modelers would do. The most irritating feature of the current debate is the certainty expressed, and criticism supressed. </p>
<p>It just doesn&#8217;t make sense to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/03/14/critical-assessment-of-climate-change-predictions-from-a-scientific-perspective/#comment-1356</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm confused. Are you saying that agw is real or not or simply being ironic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused. Are you saying that agw is real or not or simply being ironic?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan D. McIntire</title>
		<link>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/03/14/critical-assessment-of-climate-change-predictions-from-a-scientific-perspective/#comment-1354</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan D. McIntire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I became aware of the "record" problem when I was a freshman at a relatively new high school, only 4 years old when I started attending.  Naturally, there were a lot of school records being set each year in various sports.  The first year, there's automatically going to be a new school record in every event measured.  Assuming a relatively constant number  and relative  ability of students each year, the second year about half of the old records will be broken,  the third year about 1/3 of the records will be broken,  and now that my old high school  is about 40 years old,  only about 2 1/2 % of school records will be broken in a year.   In general, the precentage of records being broken is proportional to the logarithm of the time period.

  If temperature records in the US go back to 1880,  roughly 1 in 128 should be broken each year.  For a given date, roughly 1 in (128 *365) or 1 in 46,720 should be broken  for each date of the year, assuming no trends.  With a warming trend, new highs should be somewhat more frequent than that, with a cooling trend,  less frequent than that.

Here I'm guessing, but I suppose the number of new records with a constantly increasing temperature trend should be rougly proportional to
 time / (1 - (T/SD))
where SD is the standard deviation in temperature
from year to year, say about 0.1 degrees, and
T is the linear trend fit, say 0.01 degrees per   year.

In my example, if the world was warming up at 1C per century, and the standard deviation in temperature is 0.1 C per year,  you'd expect 10/9
as many records as the logarithmic prediction.

With constantly decreasing temperatures, again
given the above figures, you'd get only 9/10 as many new highs as a strictly logarithmic projection- 

Since the real climate shows increasing from 1880 to 1940, decreasing from 1940 to about 1970, and increasing again from about 1970 to 2000,  fudge factor adustments for new records will be slightly more complex than that.
A. McIntire</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I became aware of the &#8220;record&#8221; problem when I was a freshman at a relatively new high school, only 4 years old when I started attending.  Naturally, there were a lot of school records being set each year in various sports.  The first year, there&#8217;s automatically going to be a new school record in every event measured.  Assuming a relatively constant number  and relative  ability of students each year, the second year about half of the old records will be broken,  the third year about 1/3 of the records will be broken,  and now that my old high school  is about 40 years old,  only about 2 1/2 % of school records will be broken in a year.   In general, the precentage of records being broken is proportional to the logarithm of the time period.</p>
<p>  If temperature records in the US go back to 1880,  roughly 1 in 128 should be broken each year.  For a given date, roughly 1 in (128 *365) or 1 in 46,720 should be broken  for each date of the year, assuming no trends.  With a warming trend, new highs should be somewhat more frequent than that, with a cooling trend,  less frequent than that.</p>
<p>Here I&#8217;m guessing, but I suppose the number of new records with a constantly increasing temperature trend should be rougly proportional to<br />
 time / (1 - (T/SD))<br />
where SD is the standard deviation in temperature<br />
from year to year, say about 0.1 degrees, and<br />
T is the linear trend fit, say 0.01 degrees per   year.</p>
<p>In my example, if the world was warming up at 1C per century, and the standard deviation in temperature is 0.1 C per year,  you&#8217;d expect 10/9<br />
as many records as the logarithmic prediction.</p>
<p>With constantly decreasing temperatures, again<br />
given the above figures, you&#8217;d get only 9/10 as many new highs as a strictly logarithmic projection- </p>
<p>Since the real climate shows increasing from 1880 to 1940, decreasing from 1940 to about 1970, and increasing again from about 1970 to 2000,  fudge factor adustments for new records will be slightly more complex than that.<br />
A. McIntire</p>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
		<link>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/03/14/critical-assessment-of-climate-change-predictions-from-a-scientific-perspective/#comment-1296</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William, maybe you can do some analysis on this topic?


http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/to-tell-the-truth-will-the-real-global-average-temperature-trend-please-rise-part-2/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William, maybe you can do some analysis on this topic?</p>
<p><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/to-tell-the-truth-will-the-real-global-average-temperature-trend-please-rise-part-2/" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/to-tell-the-truth-will-the-real-global-average-temperature-trend-please-rise-part-2/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/03/14/critical-assessment-of-climate-change-predictions-from-a-scientific-perspective/#comment-1294</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt:
It may be late to generate another example, but it strikes me that the  a priori probablitlities that people would attach to liver and kidney disease are likely too low and that the import of your analysis will be diluted.  If you headline it with a more salient disease like diabetes then you may get additional traction.  Obviously you cannot stretch the coverage of the study, but as many AGW proponents have discovered, first impressions may be lasting impressions.  

Good luck with the simultaneous translation - I find them very difficult.  My one lesson from doing them in Latin America is to avoid making jokes - many do not translate and one's sense of humor may not travel far from home!

Along with everything else, do you still play?  My spring season starts in 10 days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt:<br />
It may be late to generate another example, but it strikes me that the  a priori probablitlities that people would attach to liver and kidney disease are likely too low and that the import of your analysis will be diluted.  If you headline it with a more salient disease like diabetes then you may get additional traction.  Obviously you cannot stretch the coverage of the study, but as many AGW proponents have discovered, first impressions may be lasting impressions.  </p>
<p>Good luck with the simultaneous translation - I find them very difficult.  My one lesson from doing them in Latin America is to avoid making jokes - many do not translate and one&#8217;s sense of humor may not travel far from home!</p>
<p>Along with everything else, do you still play?  My spring season starts in 10 days.</p>
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