Comments on: You’re no climatologist! Or, who is allowed to criticize? http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/01/31/youre-no-climatologist-or-who-is-allowed-to-criticize/ "All manner of statistical analyses cheerfully undertaken." Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:26:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Mick http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/01/31/youre-no-climatologist-or-who-is-allowed-to-criticize/#comment-293 Mick Sat, 02 Feb 2008 11:16:48 +0000 http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/01/31/youre-no-climatologist-or-who-is-allowed-to-criticize/#comment-293 "Not to mention the layman, who probably understands little about science of any sort." Seems to sum up the article perfectly. It would be interesting to know when, in society, the word intelligence was replaced with the word education. “Not to mention the layman, who probably understands little about science of any sort.” Seems to sum up the article perfectly. It would be interesting to know when, in society, the word intelligence was replaced with the word education.

]]> By: Robert Wilkinson http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/01/31/youre-no-climatologist-or-who-is-allowed-to-criticize/#comment-287 Robert Wilkinson Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:11:25 +0000 http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/01/31/youre-no-climatologist-or-who-is-allowed-to-criticize/#comment-287 OK, he's by the body... holding the knife, covered in blood and he told everyone earlier "I'm a gonna to keelll eem". Are you going to sit there and discuss who killed him and whether or not only a criminal forensic scientist is allowed an opinion? But here's my tuppennys worth... AGW is a political and media myth. The best people who are qualified to speak on the subject are thus journalists! as science doesn't come into it. OK, he’s by the body… holding the knife, covered in blood and he told everyone earlier “I’m a gonna to keelll eem”.
Are you going to sit there and discuss who killed him and whether or not only a criminal forensic scientist is allowed an opinion?
But here’s my tuppennys worth…
AGW is a political and media myth. The best people who are qualified to speak on the subject are thus journalists! as science doesn’t come into it.

]]> By: dreamin http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/01/31/youre-no-climatologist-or-who-is-allowed-to-criticize/#comment-274 dreamin Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:17:47 +0000 http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/01/31/youre-no-climatologist-or-who-is-allowed-to-criticize/#comment-274 1. I have faced the "credential" argument in numerous internet debates about AGW. In my experience, the pro-AGW folks tend to trot it out when they are losing the debate on the merits. While the credentials behind an argument are interesting, they shouldn't be the primary reason to accept or reject it. 2. The pro-AGW crowd is attempting to influence public policy. So arguably, they've opened the door to lay opinions and arguments. 3. In my humble opinion, non-scientists do have something to offer in this debate. Personally, I have worked as an attorney for many years. As part of my job, people lie to me all day long and I have a lot of experience dealing with BS. The catastrophic global warming theory has all the red flags of a scam. 1. I have faced the “credential” argument in numerous internet debates about AGW. In my experience, the pro-AGW folks tend to trot it out when they are losing the debate on the merits. While the credentials behind an argument are interesting, they shouldn’t be the primary reason to accept or reject it.

2. The pro-AGW crowd is attempting to influence public policy. So arguably, they’ve opened the door to lay opinions and arguments.

3. In my humble opinion, non-scientists do have something to offer in this debate. Personally, I have worked as an attorney for many years. As part of my job, people lie to me all day long and I have a lot of experience dealing with BS. The catastrophic global warming theory has all the red flags of a scam.

]]> By: Steve Hempell http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/01/31/youre-no-climatologist-or-who-is-allowed-to-criticize/#comment-269 Steve Hempell Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:01:49 +0000 http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/01/31/youre-no-climatologist-or-who-is-allowed-to-criticize/#comment-269 Link to Real Climate http://www.realclimate.org/ I wrote them a "note". They didn't post it. It was a little caustic, but contained no foul language. Link to Real Climate

http://www.realclimate.org/

I wrote them a “note”. They didn’t post it. It was a little caustic, but contained no foul language.

]]> By: Administrator http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/01/31/youre-no-climatologist-or-who-is-allowed-to-criticize/#comment-268 Administrator Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:38:51 +0000 http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/01/31/youre-no-climatologist-or-who-is-allowed-to-criticize/#comment-268 Steve, Could you provide a link for us? Thanks, Briggs Steve,

Could you provide a link for us?

Thanks,

Briggs

]]> By: Steve Hempell http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/01/31/youre-no-climatologist-or-who-is-allowed-to-criticize/#comment-267 Steve Hempell Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:10:59 +0000 http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/01/31/youre-no-climatologist-or-who-is-allowed-to-criticize/#comment-267 Want to see the above essays premise in action? Check out RC latest blog piece and it's comments. Depressing! Want to see the above essays premise in action? Check out RC latest blog piece and it’s comments. Depressing!

]]> By: PAULL http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/01/31/youre-no-climatologist-or-who-is-allowed-to-criticize/#comment-266 PAULL Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:08:50 +0000 http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/01/31/youre-no-climatologist-or-who-is-allowed-to-criticize/#comment-266 To quote Bob Dylan. "It don't take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows". To quote Bob Dylan. “It don’t take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows”.

]]> By: Al Fin http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/01/31/youre-no-climatologist-or-who-is-allowed-to-criticize/#comment-264 Al Fin Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:24:15 +0000 http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/01/31/youre-no-climatologist-or-who-is-allowed-to-criticize/#comment-264 The fact that hundreds of climatologists have better job prospects and better access to grant money because they "agree to agree" on the GCM based CO2 hypothesis, should also tell you something. Some of them even won the Nobel Prize along with Al Gore. Whether catastrophic anthropogenic global warming (CAGW) is real or not, you cannot deny that IT WORKS!!! It brings home the bacon, unlike the heresy, which gets one equated to holocaust deniers, gets one fired from his job, eliminates the possibility of tenure and publication, and makes one feel all alone, watching from a distance, as the masses run off the cliff. The fact that hundreds of climatologists have better job prospects and better access to grant money because they “agree to agree” on the GCM based CO2 hypothesis, should also tell you something.

Some of them even won the Nobel Prize along with Al Gore.

Whether catastrophic anthropogenic global warming (CAGW) is real or not, you cannot deny that IT WORKS!!!

It brings home the bacon, unlike the heresy, which gets one equated to holocaust deniers, gets one fired from his job, eliminates the possibility of tenure and publication, and makes one feel all alone, watching from a distance, as the masses run off the cliff.

]]> By: PaulD http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/01/31/youre-no-climatologist-or-who-is-allowed-to-criticize/#comment-263 PaulD Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:52:05 +0000 http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/01/31/youre-no-climatologist-or-who-is-allowed-to-criticize/#comment-263 For those interested, there is extensive discussions of Craig Loehle's paper over at Climateaudit.org. I thought the discussion there was very constructive and helpful for placing Mr. Loehle's findings in perspective. There were positive comments, along with some rather sharp criticisms. Mr. Loehle has responded in a positive way to the criticisms and has provided additional analysis to address them. For those interested, there is extensive discussions of Craig Loehle’s paper over at Climateaudit.org. I thought the discussion there was very constructive and helpful for placing Mr. Loehle’s findings in perspective. There were positive comments, along with some rather sharp criticisms. Mr. Loehle has responded in a positive way to the criticisms and has provided additional analysis to address them.

]]> By: Administrator http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/01/31/youre-no-climatologist-or-who-is-allowed-to-criticize/#comment-262 Administrator Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:42:35 +0000 http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/01/31/youre-no-climatologist-or-who-is-allowed-to-criticize/#comment-262 All, Craig Loehl has kindly provided a link to his paper on reconstructing temperatures. It can be found at: http://www.ncasi.org/Publications/Detail.aspx?id=3025 Craig also makes the valuable point that "when you submit a paper for publication the journals and reviewers do not ask for proof that you have the right expertise or even a Ph.D....which is as it should be. The value of your work lies in the work itself." Actually, that's true in most of the hard sciences. But my experience with medicine shows me they love a good Appeal to Authority. Briggs All,

Craig Loehl has kindly provided a link to his paper on reconstructing temperatures. It can be found at:
http://www.ncasi.org/Publications/Detail.aspx?id=3025

Craig also makes the valuable point that “when you submit a paper for publication the journals and reviewers do not ask for proof that you have the right expertise or even a Ph.D….which is as it should be. The value of your work lies in the work itself.”

Actually, that’s true in most of the hard sciences. But my experience with medicine shows me they love a good Appeal to Authority.

Briggs

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